who's the biggest female popstar right now?

[Madmick]

The difference of course being that I actually know what I'm talking about and have backed my shit up when someone here asked me to.


Feel free to see their assessment of my skills.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/151447025/

Guitar and voicecraft have almost nothing to do with each other. I was the 5th chair trumpeter in NorCal as a youth in junior high school (7th-9th grade), but I learned nothing about vocal technique from my trumpeting. The only shared value is of general music theory & musicality.

Everything I learned about voicecraft I learned through private lessons, and from discussion with my family, most of whom are accomplished singers. One of my brothers was a member of the NorCal Honor Choir. My mother has medaled at numerous competitions with her a cappella group including at a regional level.

If you took a poll of nothing but choir teachers, choir leaders, professional singers, and other voicecraft industry professionals, I guarantee you that Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, and Mariah Carey would show up on a Top 10 of every list for the greatest female vocalists in terms of raw vocal ability.

 

[bobgeese]

Guitar and voicecraft have almost nothing to do with each other. I was the 5th chair trumpeter in NorCal as a youth in junior high school (7th-9th grade), but I learned nothing about vocal technique from my trumpeting. The only shared value is of general music theory & musicality.

Everything I learned about voicecraft I learned through private lessons, and from discussion with my family, most of whom are accomplished singers. One of my brothers was a member of the NorCal Honor Choir. My mother has medaled at numerous competitions with her a cappella group including at a regional level.

If you took a poll of nothing but choir teachers, choir leaders, professional singers, and other voicecraft industry professionals, I guarantee you that Whitney Houston, Celine Dion, and Mariah Carey would show up on a Top 10 of every list for the greatest female vocalists in terms of raw vocal ability.

Read post 56, I'm trained in voice and have studied alongside among others an award winning opera singer. I know what I'm talking about mick.

 

[Madmick]

Read post 56, I'm trained in voice and have studied alongside among others an award winning opera singer. I know what I'm talking about mick.

Sorry, not buying. You're exhibiting the ignorance of someone who was overwhelmed by someone who star-struck him, and indiscriminately absorbed his/her bias without skepticism, because you weren't armed with sufficient knowledge to know better. I recall in my youth a friend who had attended Thomas Aquinas asserting in a debate about the universe's origins, with unassailable certainty, that Aquinas's modification of the "Prime Mover" argument had never been refuted throughout the history of philosophy since it was first fielded.

Of course, anyone who spends an hour in a philosophy department anywhere outside a Catholic seminary knows that's laughable.

Yours is a reified, prejudicial, classically provincial mindset. It would be like arguing that breakdancers aren't world-class dancers because they aren't trained in ballet. It's stupid. Decades go by, and eventually the people who spout this dumb shit are forced to admit, yeah, they're incredible, and slowly you start seeing jook, breakdancing, and other forms of hip-hop appear on the stage at places like the Lincoln Center.

 

[bobgeese]

Sorry, not buying. You're exhibiting the ignorance of someone who was overwhelmed by
.

Mick, you're embarrassing yourself. One of us has performed Mozart vocal works, the other has talked about it.


A -




B - 4:27 in this video, Mariah can barely be heard over the gentleman singing with her when she doesn't have the support of a microphone (in the extremes of her range). Meanwhile at 3:54 the opera singer is filling an entire concert hall. This is what separates pop singers from the best singers in the world.

 

[Kingz]

JabToucher banned again?

fo what?

 

[Madmick]

Mick, you're embarrassing yourself. One of us has performed Mozart vocal works, the other has talked about it.

A -

B - 4:27 in this video, Mariah can barely be heard over the gentleman singing with her when she doesn't have the support of a microphone. Meanwhile at 3:54 the opera singer is filling an entire concert hall. This is what separates pop singers from the best singers in the world.

Pfftt...and you're demonstrating the precise bias I anticipated in my first post when I mentioned that opera is a style of singing that overvalues projection. Show me the opera singer who has an 8-octave range? I'll wait.

This isn't the Renaissance. Nobody cares about how loudly one can project their voice without a microphone. Diaphragm support only matters insofar as it provides sufficient volume to entice the ear, and support your tone & timbre. Meanwhile, have you seen the scientific analyses of Steven Tyler's voice? The measurement of the sheer volume he was able to project staggered the researchers, and this wasn't just in terms of the physical volume, hitting 105 decibels without a mic, but also of the registry across the spectrum of frequencies. They'd never seen anything like it. Additionally, here's a piece on his range.
https://rockmusicrevival.com/2019/03/27/the-secret-behind-steven-tylers-legendary-voice-2/

The Aerosmith frontman is actually a tenor. Tenors are males who can sing to the highest note. The typical tenor vocal ranges from C3 up to C5, but Tyler can range up to E6. Experienced tenors like Pavarotti could only hit up to F5.

Turns out pop singers are better than opera professionals at opera techniques if they choose to employ them for their style.

Huh, it's almost like talent pools matter.

 

[bobgeese]

Pfftt...and you're demonstrating the precise bias I anticipated in my first post when I mentioned that opera is a style of singing that overvalues projection. Show me the opera singer who has an 8-octave range? I'll wait.

This isn't the Renaissance. Nobody cares about how loudly one can project their voice without a microphone. Diaphragm support only matters insofar as it provides sufficient volume to entice the ear, and support your tone & timbre. Meanwhile, have you seen the scientific analyses of Steven Tyler's voice? The measurement of the sheer volume he was able to project staggered the researchers, and this wasn't just in terms of the physical volume, hitting 105 decibels without a mic, but also of the registry across the spectrum of frequencies. They'd never seen anything like it. Additionally, here's a piece on his range.
https://rockmusicrevival.com/2019/03/27/the-secret-behind-steven-tylers-legendary-voice-2/

Turns out pop singers are better than opera professionals at opera techniques if they choose to employ them for their style.

Huh, it's almost like talent pools matter.

Mick, opera singers need to fill a concert hall with these notes. Squeaking out a note, and having it cover an orchestra are two different worlds.

Steven Tyler? I don't know how far you plan on shifting these goalposts (remember this is about your comment about Ariana Grande) but 105db is nowhere near the record. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Madmick]

Mick, opera singers need to fill a concert hall with these notes. Squeaking out a note, and having it cover an orchestra are two different worlds.

Steven Tyler? I don't know how far you plan on shifting these goalposts (remember this is about your comment about Ariana Grande) but 105db is nowhere near the record. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

Who cares about needing to fill up a large concert hall built with poor acoustics? This was one of my points.Opera overvalues an aspect of singing that was once relevant to its popular appeal. This is defining what is good based on what is necessary. The truth is this was always about logistics. Furthermore, I then gave you an example of a pop singer who is better at both of these things than probably the most legendary modern male opera singer.

105 dB isn't Tyler's record. It was his average during concerts in his prime. He routinely exceeded 110dB.

The real-time monitoring of Tyler's voice during the live concert was accomplished with new technology developed by a research team led by Dr. Hillman. These measurements reflected the tremendous strain that Tyler places on his vocal system during a performance, often exceeding 110 decibels in loudness, with his vocal cords colliding more than 750,000 times during the 90 minute concert.

Yet, once again, this begs the question...why is the maximum volume at which a person can sing being forwarded as the measuring stick of singing skill?

This is dumb as hell. Projection is desirable, but it is by no means the only metric for measuring vocal virtuosity.

 

[CaptainRecon]

Probably some skank who fucked her way to the top.

 

[clutchCAT420]

Lizzo...

 

[bobgeese]

Who cares about needing to fill up a large concert hall built with poor acoustics? .

The last hall I performed in cost millions of dollars to build and literally sung the notes back to me as I performed (classical guitar). You sound like an idiot.


Furthermore, it's not only volume but the richness of the operatic voice through their manipulation of overtones, their ability to sight read practically anything, and a dozen other reasons that you would stubbornly argue in vain, that separate the opera singer from the rest.




Mick, here's a little life tip for you. It's a bad idea to try to argue with someone that does something professionally. When you've performed some Mozart, Brahms, etc, or have sung in the choir backing up an actual pop star like I have, then maybe you'll be taken seriously. Until then kindly stop wasting my time.

 

[Spounman]

Literally? Lizzo

 

[pinger]

The last hall I performed in cost millions of dollars to build and literally sung the notes back to me as I performed (classical guitar). You sound like an idiot.


Furthermore, it's not only volume but the richness of the operatic voice through their manipulation of overtones, their ability to sight read practically anything, and a dozen other reasons that you would stubbornly argue in vain, that separate the opera singer from the rest.




Mick, here's a little life tip for you. It's a bad idea to try to argue with someone that does something professionally. When you've performed some Mozart, Brahms, etc, or have sung in the choir backing up an actual pop star like I have, then maybe you'll be taken seriously. Until then kindly stop wasting my time.

No human voice could read this out loud and not sound like a complete pompous fuckwit.

 

[bobgeese]

No human voice could read this out loud and not sound like a complete pompous fuckwit.

PS, 6.8/10


I chuckled.

 

[Drain Bamage]

Billie Eilish, she won the fuckin grammy

 

[Cajun]

I thought you said female poster... thats @Sara ...

 

[Woldog]

Any of the girls from Blackpink.

 

[Deleted member 449757]

nevermind ... maybe Kary Ng or Miriam Yeung

 

[Fugazy]

Yes, they have what the masses like down to a science.

However one feels about Ariana or Billie, you cannot dismiss them as "whisper" singers. Ariana, in particular, is one of the most talented vocalists alive. Taylor isn't quite the singer these two are, but unlike them, especially Ariana, she actually writes most of her own music.

I grew up with the generation that fell in love with Gwen Stefani leading No Doubt, but she's a pedestrian singer in comparison to Ariana. Does that matter? It was her spunk-- her personality-- that gripped everyone.

Huh, this is really, quite the in depth analysis of girl pop starts…

nttawwt…

 

[Long Dark Blues]

Not sure.

I'm gonna say Doja Cat because she is the one whose panties I want to get into the most right now.