Who was the better heavyweight striker between Overeem and Cro Cop?

HHJ said:
Overeem seemed to perform better over a longer period of time

He would get ko'd and just come back like aint nothin happen. Whereas Mirko was never the same after the gonzaga loss...Reem did look bad in that last fight with Ubervolkov though. Then he came back as an almost Sapp-esque Ubereem behemoth against Badr Hari. But Glory wasnt havin none of his mexican supplements schenanigans. Still,they had to know. Oh well the fans cant give their ppv buys back lolz
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So…Reem, right? Final answer, hehe..
 
Crocrop wins by his straight left and left high kick

Overseen wins by his clinch and knees

Whoever gets to implement their strategy wins.

Both jn their primes crocop wins. If they fought after crocop's gonzaga fight id take overeem 10 out of 10 fights. Crocrop just wasn't the same after getting ko by gonzaga. Overeem was able to sustain and even improve as his career progressed after pride.
 
L0ki said:
"name, ranking and style".

It's really close.

At their best: they were both huge shadows over their division. Reem SF Champion. Cro Cop Pride OWGP Champion.

At their worse: beatable but still very dangerous.

Similar belts. One shone in this org in MMA and the other in that org. Both shined in kickboxing.

Really close. Coin toss.
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Their belts are actually really not similar. I think Reem's belts are quite overrated by people in general. Yes, he was champion in Strikeforce and Dream, but look at who he beat over there. He won the SF belt against Paul Buentello and Dream belt against Todd Duffee. The only notable fighters in beat in other bouts he had in those org are Werdum in a oddly terrible fight via Dec, and Hunt while in his biggest loss streak of career and ancient Fujita in Dream. And that's it. On the other hand CC won Pride and Rizin turneys with much more respectable opponents, not to mention all of the other fighters that were part of those toruneys (Overeem being part of one of them). Really not similar.
 
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Mirko! Horsemeat overeem, ubereem or ecoreem or any of his other versions would not have fared well in the k1 mirko competed in during his heyday. Killers upon killers, hoost, aerts, remy, JLB etc were in their peak back then. Reem mostly caught world level strikers on their trajectory down.

Reems longevity and chin are a freak of nature though especially for such an offensive striking talent.

But then again Mirko at age 100 won the k1 too and retired on a lengthy run too
 
crofighter said:
Their belts are actually really not similar. I think Reem's belts are quite overrated by people in general. Yes, he was champion in Strikeforce and Dream, but look at who he beat over there. He won the SF belt against Paul Buentello and Dream belt against Todd Duffee. The only notable fighters in beat in other bouts he had in those org are Werdum in a oddly terrible fight via Dec, and Hunt while in his biggest loss streak of career and ancient Fujita in Dream. And that's it. On the other hand CC won Pride and Rizin turneys with much more respectable opponents, not to mention all of the other fighters that were part of those toruneys (Overeem being part of one of them). Really not similar.
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They have to be look at also in the context they're in.

At the time, Rogers, Buentello and Rogers were either top contenders or dark horses. Reem also beat Vitor in Strikeforce.

King Mo and Ishii in Rizin were good opponents on CC's resume. The rest are a "who is that".

Still factoring in close, they're very similar careers. SImilar belts, same orgs, same opponents, etc. You can nit pick but when looking at the forest, they're fairly similar or at least in pretty close range.

It might not be that Reem is underrated and CC overrated. It could be that you're down playing one and up playing the other.

We had a poll in this. They were in most peeps top 10 HW's and with nearby rankings. I think Reem was positioned a little higher and of course, him being a little higher or lower is understandable.
 
L0ki said:
They have to be look at also in the context they're in.

At the time, Rogers, Buentello and Rogers were either top contenders or dark horses. Reem also beat Vitor in Strikeforce.

King Mo and Ishii in Rizin were good opponents on CC's resume. The rest are a "who is that".

Still factoring in close, they're very similar careers. SImilar belts, same orgs, same opponents, etc. You can nit pick but when looking at the forest, they're fairly similar or at least in pretty close range.

It might not be that Reem is underrated and CC overrated. It could be that you're down playing one and up playing the other.

We had a poll in this. They were in most peeps top 10 HW's and with nearby rankings. I think Reem was positioned a little higher and of course, him being a little higher or lower is understandable.
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I don't recall Buentello being exactly much of a dark horse, but I might be wrong and you mentioned Rogers twice. I forgot about Vitor that's true, but that wasn't really a heavyweight bout either way.
CC beat Ishii at Inoki's but I wouldn't exactly call Aliakbari a "who is that", he was undefeated at the time and two times Greco-Roman World champion and who is currenlty a top contender in One and will most likely fight for the belt next.
 
Overeem adapted, CroCop couldn’t. Pure striking CroCop,’but Overeem wasn’t far behind.
 
Baby Hanma said:
Was Cro Cop no longer in his prime when he fought Gonzaga?
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he fought gonzaga who clearly knows how to strike
and is one of the most dangerous grapplers back then

ofcourse the threat of grappling
cro cop just fought better competition thats it
 
Kb7 said:
Overeem adapted, CroCop couldn’t. Pure striking CroCop,’but Overeem wasn’t far behind.
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Crocop definitley adapted to the cage,it just took him a long time.
 
Ubereem
Econoreem

gap

CroCop
 
Overeem could have become UFC champ even after deflated econoreem.

One of the dumbest shits he ever did was waste time going for a close guard guillotine after knocking Stipe’s skull to the ground with a simple power jab. Shows you how good his striking was.

I yelled so loud at the screen that night. He coulda ground and pound his Stipe cabbage head into coleslaw.
 
I know on my end recency bias plays in with the fact that Crocop fell off so hard, but I’ll go Reem.

My reasoning is that Overeem was actually piecing up a ton of the people that ended up catching him. Crocop seemed to get out struck in losses
 
HHJ said:
Tldr
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