Who is the GOAT conqueror? Alex or Genghis?

loyalyolayal said:
Quality of territories conquered goes to Alexander. Quantity undoubtedly goes to Genghis. Mostly wasteland and non-arable land. Like comparing an athlete and an obese guy.
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Genghiz also fucked a lot of women he probably died having sex
 
loyalyolayal said:
Alexander also fucked men. Genghis aint got shit.
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I think had Genghis not fucked that much he may have conquered more it seems half his time was spent fucking people.

Oh about Alexander fucking men ah yeah definitely Genghis ain't got shit if you know what I mean.!
 
MadSquabbles500 said:
Alexander though fought in lots of his battles. Genghis did not. He may have been involved in some fighting when he younger, but as a conqueror, I dont think he ever fought.

Alex only had to beat one already large empire, and yeh did an excursion in the Ganges River Valley. Genghis though took a lot Steppe land without fighting. He offered the nomad tribes peace and prosperity, and a lot of tribes just elected to join him.

Genghis sons and general's did most of the work. Alex was simply more badass though. Alex is one if not the GOAT warrior in real life.
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He was arguably more of a one off, mix of talent and supreme self confidence(as in he believed he was desended from demigod Achilles) leading to some very aggressive high risk tactics, without him you probably get a small invasion of asia minor potentially freeing the greek cites rather than a conquest of the entire Persian empire.

Whilst a lot was passed down to him from his father he did actually need to fight to keep control of most of Greece before the invasion of Persia as well.
 
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loyalyolayal said:
Quality of territories conquered goes to Alexander. Quantity undoubtedly goes to Genghis. Mostly wasteland and non-arable land. Like comparing an athlete and an obese guy.
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How is Persia and central Asia superior to China? Alexander couldn't go further east because he was nearly killed in India. The Persians were established as cans at this point, while China was the wealthiest and most militarily powerful force on Earth in genghis's time. And his sons subjugated Russia and most of the Muslim world.

What makes Alexander impressive was how much he accomplished in such a short time being so young. A true military prodigy.
 
Khan because he crushed lots of pussy everywhere he went such that millions today are descendants of his.

Alexander on the other hand was too busy getting his ass torn up by his own men to leave any kind of genetic legacy.

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bad seed said:
How is Persia and central Asia superior to China? Alexander couldn't go further east because he was nearly killed in India. The Persians were established as cans at this point, while China was the wealthiest and most militarily powerful force on Earth in genghis's time. And his sons subjugated Russia and most of the Muslim world.

What makes Alexander impressive was how much he accomplished in such a short time being so young. A true military prodigy.
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I didn't know we were giving Kublai's achievement to Genghis.
 
Matty da Ranga said:
Now I know some of you may be offended by me calling these guys "great" because they killed, raped, blah blah

I'm not here to get into a debate about morality, but rather whose strategic/leadership accomplishments you find more impressive?

Feel free to throw some others into the mix if you feel that it's not between these two
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From a Darwinian genetic perspective...................... Genghis Khan and the rest aren't even close.
 
Piece of Sheet said:
Well Hitler nearly conquered the world
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? Just parts of Europe and even then he skipped Italy and Spain and got wrecked invading Russia and not retreating at Summer's end.

Their forces were strung too far out, they lost their holdings in North Africa due to failure to reinforce Rommel (due to being busy in Europe and Russia) and without the oil fields they ran out of oil for the European theatre.

Hitler didn't have enough men or fuel or alliances to take over the world. He wasn't even close.
 
bad seed said:
How is Persia and central Asia superior to China? Alexander couldn't go further east because he was nearly killed in India. The Persians were established as cans at this point, while China was the wealthiest and most militarily powerful force on Earth in genghis's time. And his sons subjugated Russia and most of the Muslim world.

What makes Alexander impressive was how much he accomplished in such a short time being so young. A true military prodigy.
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China was weak and divided when the Mongols conquered it. The Jin empire had been fucking up the Song dynasty for years. Btw. "Legend of the Condor Heroes I: a hero born" just came out in English. It is the Chinese equivalent to Lord of the Rings and deals with just this period. The main character of the first three novels grows up under the protection of Genghis Khan.

Anyway, the Mongol empire was huge, but at the time of Genghis they were a bunch of godforsaken hicks, so I'm voting Alexander who paved the way for Rome and established Greek culture and civilization around the med.

Also, Genghis got his ass whooped several times by his blood brother on the field of battle, only beating him by skulduggery and betrayal. That's not worthy of the GOAT conqueror title.
 
Some Asian boi said this so I’m going to steal it because I’m a (former) addict and that’s what I do.

Genghis and Chandragupta set up dyanasties that ruled and expanded for several generations over several centuries. But this should not factor into the debate of who is the greatest conqueror. This question is about just 3 individuals within their lifetime (not including the contributions of their descendants) and specifically about their military achievements (not including other aspects of statecraft like administration and law giving).

If you frame the question this way, the answer is Alexander. The guy took 40,000 soldiers and conquered half of the known world before he became 30 years old. In the process, he won every single battle he commanded himself and toppled one of the most powerful empires up to that point in history. He led every battle from the front and was probably the best fighter in his own army. He was also tactically and strategically brilliant: genius and daring bordering on madness at times.

Chandragupta’s Maurya Empire was never as big as Alexander’s empire and Genghis’s Mongol Empire surpassed Alexander’s after several generations of expansion but not during Genghis’s lifetime.
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So if we’re talking about Alexander vs Khan during their actual lifetimes, and not Alexander vs Khan and all of his descendents expanding the empire, which is how it should be, Alexander wins.
 
TheWorm said:
Khan because he crushed lots of pussy everywhere he went such that millions today are descendants of his.

Alexander on the other hand was too busy getting his ass torn up by his own men to leave any kind of genetic legacy.

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Moreso that dying young ment his unborn son obviously wasn't in a position to directly inherit a newly conquered kingdom and his generals divided it up among themselves instead.
 
shunyata said:
From a Darwinian genetic perspective...................... Genghis Khan and the rest aren't even close.
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The claim that Genghis Khan has millions of descendants is probably a myth, though. The evidence is sketchy as hell and there is none of Khan's DNA available to test.
 
I'm actually quite surprised nobody has attempted an Alexander TV series, arguably much better suited to that format than a film.
 
I'm surprised someone said Alexander was better at nation building considering he didn't rule for that long and his empire splintered as soon as he died.
 
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