Who is the brazillian MMA GOAT?

[Lucas Motta]

Anderson Silva is likely the GOAT. Do you want to add a guy to the convo like Royce who started it all, and for his day was dominant and consistently won? We are only here because of Royce, and he was a finisher who took on all comers.

Had absolutely forgotten about him. I completely agree, Royce fought weak opposition for the most part, but his contribution to the sport is immense.

 

[Kal-El]

Probably has to be Anderson, but Aldo is my favorite fighter of all time

 

[mkt]

The fact Wand was on roids doesn't mean much, are Jon Jones' title defenses irrelevant, even if he was on steroids? Chael Sonnen's entire career, Vitor Belfort's? I agree with you in regards to the quality of his opponents, but keep in mind he also fought some really tough guys, such as Rampage Jackson, Ricardo Arona, Cro Cop, etc.

But in Anderson's undefeated run, he beat Rich Franklin twice (and Rich beat Wand twice), Belfort (who beat Wand), Hendo (who beat Wand), Chael twice (who beat Wand) and others. People try to discredit Anderson's competition and he did have a few questionable opponents, but overall it was a MUCH stronger undefeated run than Wand's.

 

[Drugstore Cowboy]

1a Aldo
1b Anderson
3 Wand
4 Belfort
5 Big Nog
6 Shogun
7 Machida
8 Werdum
9 Royce
10 RDA
11 JDS
12 Barao
13 Jacare
14 Bustamante
15 Maia
16 Lil Nog
17 Rizzo
18 Filho
19 Babalu
20 Arona

honorable mentions: Ruas, Glover, Gonzaga, Alves, Ribeiro

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OH MY FUCKING GOD
I forgot CHARLES FUCKING OLIVEIRA
He's top 15 for sure, perhaps top 10, will be top 5 if dominates 155

 

[mkt]

Had absolutely forgotten about him. I completely agree, Royce fought weak opposition for the most part, but his contribution to the sport is immense.

Nope. The early UFCs were custom-made for Royce. He'd spent his entire life learning BJJ and had done tons of Gracie Challenge matches beforehand. No one else had a background that was anything close. And Royce's entire UFC win streak lasted a whopping 13 months. His last fight was a loss and the one before that was a draw.

 

[Taric]

Nogueira had a better career than Wanderlei

Anderson and Aldo are clearly at the top of the list

 

[Reffson]

Big Nog. Fought the biggest, baddest dudes on the planet. Won most of them. Wasn't the same after getting dropped on his head by Sapp, but still managed to win that fight and then go on to take the UFC belt. Dominated Couture in his later years. Finished PRIME Cro Cop, Coleman, Schilt, Henderson, Herring, Overeem, Sylvia and beat Werdum, Barnett, and Kharitonov. His kryptonite was Fedor but back then everybody's kryptonite was Fedor. Fought too long of course. Lost his once great chin.

 

[Lucas Motta]

But in Anderson's undefeated run, he beat Rich Franklin twice (and Rich beat Wand twice), Belfort (who beat Wand), Hendo (who beat Wand), Chael twice (who beat Wand) and others. People try to discredit Anderson's competition and he did have a few questionable opponents, but overall it was a MUCH stronger undefeated run than Wand's.

I absolutely agree with you, Anderson's competition is often underplayed, but most of them were still very tough guys. In regards to them having beat Wand at one point in his career is irrelevant, Wand lost to Chael after a few years retirement for example.

 

[textwarrior]

José Aldo- 29-7
9 title defenses

Anderson Silva- 34-11
10 UFC title defenses

Wanderlei SIlva- 35-14
4 Pride title defenses

Any other honorable mentions?

Sure Brazil supported them all. I see Aldo and Anderson close but Anderson was the strongest force to be reckoned.

 

[G10]

Depends on the criteria you want to use. Does W/L ratio matter most? Quality of opposition? Dominance in performance? It's very broad.

 

[Reffson]

Nope. The early UFCs were custom-made for Royce. He'd spent his entire life learning BJJ and had done tons of Gracie Challenge matches beforehand. No one else had a background that was anything close. And Royce's entire UFC win streak lasted a whopping 13 months. His last fight was a loss and the one before that was a draw.

I see you can read. Did you read the part where he had to beat 3 guys in ONE DAY? Or the part where he fought guys who where anywhere from 10 to 80 pounds heavier than himself? Correction; In UFC II he had to beat FOUR guys for the belt.

 

[[BR] nicholas]

Anderson, Royce Gracie, Amanda Nunes

 

[KingBeef]

Young Vitor had no known weaknesses. TRT-tor was something to behold.

 

[HaulParris]

Do Bronx

 

[Summoning]

Big Nog
Aldo
Wand

 

[Canned Tuna]

GOAT is career spanning, so incorporates wins and losses.

It would've been Anderson, tho he kept fighting to the point of so many losses and he couldn't get a W over anyone on the roster.

He's still in there, tho his spot is now mixed in with Wand, Aldo, and I think Shogun should be on that list.

There's a chance that I'm unintentionally omitting someone that deserves to be on the list.

I don't agree that Anderson's losses at the end of his career affect his GOAT status. I don't hold losses after someone has clearly declined against them. Losses while they're still performing at or near their best obviously count against them, but I don't put much weight on losses at the tail end of a career.

 

[Canned Tuna]

Anderson. Wand, Shogun, etc. never had a consistent run like his.

What about Aldo?

 

[Reffson]

Young Vitor had no known weaknesses. TRT-tor was something to behold.

I honestly believe he became a better fighter later when he quit the juice and dropped down to 185. Besides the hiccup against Anderson (Seagal front kick, LOL), he had quite a streak going. He was allowed to take TRT later because he could not produce enough testosterone on his own due to earlier ROID abuse. He never exceeded any TRT limits at 185. It was allowed. Hendo needed it also.

 

[Franklin U.]

Andy
Aldo
Werdum
Nog

* belfort - who knows ?
Bowling ball deltoid roid/trt is a bad man.


Wanderlei just falls short as a complete elite fighter .

If I've left someone out ....... ?

 

[CashMoney1991]

Anderson and Aldo are clearly 1 and 2 let's not overthink this both dominated solid competition for years