Who irritates you more, ultra conservatives and bleeding heart Liberals?

[DickSarp]

It was not meant as a joke. It's sad that we rarely have a real choice. But at the end of the day, we only have ourselves to blame for that.

And the bigger problem today is not that we make things appear neat by ignoring the complexities (facile) as you suggest, it is that we make simple things unnecessarily complicated far too often.

Life is complex as you wish to make it. If you can't handle the complexities, then don't. Everyone has shortcuts in their thinking.

No we do not have only ourselves to blame. That is how you are programmed to think by the economic royalists via propaganda. You are on your own. Solidarity is dead. You stand naked on your own achievement and if you fail, then you have only yourself to blame.

Atomizing the labor force inures to the benefit of few economic royalists.

Keep 'em divided, exhausted, and isolated.

That is sadistic, facile and wrong.

 

[Thycidides]

Ah yes, the unalterable immutable law of Capitalist excess rules the day. The Big Businesses that screw the labor force out of benefits and pay, produce dangerous and defective merchandise, use child labor, use slave labor, use child slave labor, intimidate and murder union organizers, that rob their investors, i.e., the monetary fascist outlook that all things are exploitable for a buck and that's the only thing that matters.

Just bc that sewer perspective is the chosen venue of Big Business doesn't mean that's the way it has to be.

Everyone is emotionally drawn to their dream job. For the Left it is solidarity, brotherhood, sisterhood, cooperation, and justice. For the Right, it is profit over people, selfishness, greed, and indifference / hostility to anyone or anything negatively affecting the bottom line.

So the emotions are their for both sides, the guys on the Right just never advertise their emotions bc it is tacitly understood that being a cutthroat pirate is the rational utility maximizer sine qua non.

Eh I don't think most of the Right believes in capitalism or admires the financial sector. If you look at the Tea party voters for instance they didn't talk about markets or maximizing profits at all.

If you look at right wing comments its clear they don't think much of Bill gates or Goerge Soros, or think the Koch brothers are heroes.

Most right ring people don't understand Capitalism at all or have any familiarity with Chicago school economics.

 

[DickSarp]

LOL "Disrupt" That's an interesting take on it. The LA riots alone led to over 60 deaths, 4,000 injuries and a billion dollars in damage. The thing about large scale protests that turn violent such as the more recent Ferguson or Baltimore riots is that people lose there lives as a direct result of these large scale protests simply because of the resources that are diverted to them. While these fat-mouthing protesters act like children, the police, fire department, paramedics etc have to babysit. Now grandpa doesn't make it in time to the hospital after having a heart attack and johnny gang banger and his buddies go on a free for all rampage on the town. You're trying to compare born again buttholes protesting abortions to wide scale violent protests that happen in our major cities about once a month now. Even the protests that don't turn violent take their toll simply due to prevalence. You have know idea how many times shithead protesters have made me late for something in just the last year in here in Seattle. If you go down town It seems like it's every fucking weekend these days.


Also, Name a "right wing" group that has organized and carried out the execution of an abortion doctor or bombing of a clinic. Name a single incident that was carried out by more than one crazy individual. In fact, give us a death toll spanning other the last 50 years.

Lastly, while I will say that far more lone wolfs tend to be right wing nuts if you consider anarchy a right wing ideology (which is debatable), they are rarely organized like the left. This was my original point, and why I see the left as being more dangerous overall. I personally feel like left wing protesters turning Seattle upside-down in a violent protest is far more likely to affect me than some wackjob like the Unabomber.

American history is replete with grass roots protests and riots. In fact, almost the only time the political, legal and judicial systems respond is when people stand together for a purpose in solidarity. It's a bloody and violent history bc economic royalists buy the police, military, judiciary and political arenas and turn them on the unwashed Labor force.

What causes a group of people to riot? Dissatisfaction with cable service?

I'll always stand with the oppressed.

Do you really want me to catalog the history of Right Wing violence of Right Wing groups like the KKK, Neo-Nazis, Posse Comitatus, American CEOs.... Why don't you just do a little leg work bc your analysis is so flawed from lazy research and thinking.

And you seem to think the protestors and rioters should just shut up and pipe down, the ungrateful minorities.

Can you see how you have no competence to even address this issue?

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Anyone extreme enough to be totally dense to the facts is annoying as fuck.

But the left is worse now that they use speech laws as a club.

 

[DickSarp]

Eh I don't think most of the Right believes in capitalism or admires the financial sector. If you look at the Tea party voters for instance they didn't talk about markets or maximizing profits at all.

If you look at right wing comments its clear they don't think much of Bill gates or Goerge Soros, or think the Koch brothers are heroes.

Most right ring people don't understand Capitalism at all or have any familiarity with Chicago school economics.

You don't think the Right believes in Capitalism? I would disagree. The Tea Party is nothing. It's a manufactured movement by Dick Armey and other economic bluebloods established as a 'grassroots' effort to attack Obama.

 

[smellmyfarts]

Yeah, it could have been written better. But have this as your takeaway:

Everyone is emotionally drawn to their dream job. For the Left it is solidarity, brotherhood, sisterhood, cooperation, and justice. For the Right, it is profit over people, selfishness, greed, and indifference / hostility to anyone or anything negatively affecting the bottom line.

So the emotions are their for both sides, the guys on the Right just never advertise their emotions bc it is tacitly understood that being a cutthroat pirate is the rational utility maximizer sine qua non.

And really...word salad? ok.

It wasn't that bad, but it reminded me of some rant I would type after a night of drinking.

I agree with your assessment of the left but not the right. I see the left as social creatures as you have pointed out, but I see the right as mostly people that want to be left the fuck alone other than the whole religious thing. Just look at were these people live, and it tells you everything you need to know. A dream home for most liberals is a modest house in some cool or trendy urban neighborhood where they can be around or interact with people just like themselves despite all the diversity talk. A dream home for most conservatives is a big fat spread on acreage in a rural area or a mcmansion in a gated community somewhere in the burbs. One ideology is all about interaction while one is all about isolation.

 

[Thycidides]

Lastly, while I will say that far more lone wolfs tend to be right wing nuts if you consider anarchy a right wing ideology (which is debatable), they are rarely organized like the left. This was my original point, and why I see the left as being more dangerous overall. I personally feel like left wing protesters turning Seattle upside-down in a violent protest is far more likely to affect me than some wackjob like the Unabomber.

Oh no that is so awful! Poor you.

Meanwhile... http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/07/opinion/bergen-terrorism-wisconsin/index.html

The left isn't organizing riots, you didn't even mention one organization in your rant which is kind of funny.

 

[method115]

The transgender kids stuff is really going to far IMO.

 

[Tiny]

libtards without a doubt.

this "I'm owed everything" and "everyone is a victim" is breeding an entire generation of pussies.

 

[Thycidides]

You don't think the Right believes in Capitalism? I would disagree. The Tea Party is nothing. It's a manufactured movement by Dick Armey and other economic bluebloods established as a 'grassroots' effort to attack Obama.

I don't think many people in the right wing or that vote for it know what is going on. The Right wing by that account is like 10 percent of the population, maybe less.

 

[cooks1]

Life is complex as you wish to make it. If you can't handle the complexities, then don't. Everyone has shortcuts in their thinking.

No we do not have only ourselves to blame. That is how you are programmed to think by the economic royalists via propaganda. You are on your own. Solidarity is dead. You stand naked on your own achievement and if you fail, then you have only yourself to blame.

Atomizing the labor force inures to the benefit of few economic royalists.

Keep 'em divided, exhausted, and isolated.

That is sadistic, facile and wrong.

I can't tell if you are just being obnoxious, or if someone gave you your first thesaurus for your birthday and you are taking it for a spin. Badly.

24 hour news cycles have created the need to parse things down to absurd levels that are completely unnecessary. Do that enough and you create 'fictional complexity' out of what is a relatively simple matter.

Fox is just as bad at this and even worse at times, but just the other night on CNN, there was a fucking 30 minute segment with dozens of people weighing in with absurd detail and tangents about Omarosa Manigault Newman being paid through mid January or whatever for her WH role even though she was fired/resigned/whatever the fuck. I think there were even former senators or congressmen weighing in on it. A 30 minute segment, on national news, devoted to someone receiving 30 days of notice pay. Which happens in the public and private sectors, at the local, state and federal level, all the fucking time and is completely fucking normal.

I do not disagree that there are some systemic obstacles put in the way of the people by those with economic power. But they would be trivial obstacles if the population were engaged and informed. We are not, and those wounds are self inflicted. Numerous polls have shown that between 60%-75% of the entire fucking US population can not name a single fucking state senator when asked. And that includes the people that actually voted.

We are now 10-12 generations removed from the people who actually had to fight for the freedom we now have. And every successive generation becomes a little less informed and a little more apathetic. Only periodic national crises or zeitgeist moments temporarily jolt us back into consciousness. But never for very long.

Think about this for a minute. Congress has a 91% reelection rate with a 10% approval rating. While there are certainly some wealthy douches throwing a lot of money to drive that, it does not happen without an uninformed, disengaged population.

 

[smellmyfarts]

American history is replete with grass roots protests and riots. In fact, almost the only time the political, legal and judicial systems respond is when people stand together for a purpose in solidarity. It's a bloody and violent history bc economic royalists buy the police, military, judiciary and political arenas and turn them on the unwashed Labor force.

What causes a group of people to riot? Dissatisfaction with cable service?

I'll always stand with the oppressed.

Do you really want me to catalog the history of Right Wing violence of Right Wing groups like the KKK, Neo-Nazis, Posse Comitatus, American CEOs.... Why don't you just do a little leg work bc your analysis is so flawed from lazy research and thinking.

And you seem to think the protestors and rioters should just shut up and pipe down, the ungrateful minorities.

Can you see how you have no competence to even address this issue?

This is 2017
Just how many people in the KKK do you interact with on a daily basis?

And yes, I do think the rioters should pipe down because they accomplish absolutely nothing. This isn't the Boston tea party. These are just a bunch of ungrateful shitheads that have it better than anyone in the history of this planet that have ran out of things to complain about.

And don't pull the race card on me. I'm a minority myself. You have an extremely delusional view of the world you live in my friend but keep fighting the good fight! lol

 

[Thycidides]

This is 2017
Just how many people in the KKK do you interact with on a daily basis?

And yes, I do think the rioters should pipe down because they accomplish absolutely nothing. This isn't the Boston tea party. These are just a bunch of ungrateful shitheads that have it better than anyone in the history of this planet that have ran out of things to complain about.

And don't pull the race card on me. I'm a minority myself. You have an extremely delusional view of the world you live in my friend but keep fighting the good fight! lol

Yes there is still right wing terrorism in 2017.

 

[BudKing8806]

American history is replete with grass roots protests and riots. In fact, almost the only time the political, legal and judicial systems respond is when people stand together for a purpose in solidarity. It's a bloody and violent history bc economic royalists buy the police, military, judiciary and political arenas and turn them on the unwashed Labor force.

What causes a group of people to riot? Dissatisfaction with cable service?

I'll always stand with the oppressed.

Do you really want me to catalog the history of Right Wing violence of Right Wing groups like the KKK, Neo-Nazis, Posse Comitatus, American CEOs.... Why don't you just do a little leg work bc your analysis is so flawed from lazy research and thinking.

And you seem to think the protestors and rioters should just shut up and pipe down, the ungrateful minorities.

Can you see how you have no competence to even address this issue?

I wish they would attempt to block a fucking street in my area. After the first truck crushed 8-9 of them I'd be laughing my ass off and trying to film it.

 

[Bald1]

Yes there is still riot wing terrorism in 2017.

Yes. They're called Antifa. Riot wing terrorists indeed.

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't think all of the left's ideals are extreme. It's more the social issues and PC culture that has become detached from reality. Look, I support full on socialized medicine to some degree. I'm against big oil and fracking. I support full on decriminalization of all drugs, legalized prostitution, state funded abortion.....etc. I'm by no means what one would call conservative; however, since I'm not completely retarded, I don't by into any of this gender BS the left is obsessed with. Men and women are biologically different. A lot different. I can recognize that Islam is poison to the first world. Cops target black men not because they're racist but because black men commit far more crime. Women don't actually earn less than men for the same work.......etc

All fine and dandy until you got to the bold part, especially the part about cops, since it's provably false.

 

[D3THRONED]

Dislike republicans and democrats but the leftist always piss me off so much more than ignorant republicans. For example; being called a racist because you're against illegal immigration, being a white male so therefore I'm the devil, SJWs are the worst kind of person (loudest mouths but do nothing). Leftist preaching about equality, the war on women (which doesnt exist), also the myth that men get paid more, along with defending Islam which happens to be against most of what liberals preach. Way more double-standards from these kinds of people. Expectation vs Reality (example is the sjw woman traveling to mideast to proove muslims are peaceful. Ended up getting raped and murder because she is ignorant to how the world really is.

 

[regmma123]

Says a guy that can't even use a coma

 

[smellmyfarts]

smellmyfarts said: ↑
Says a guy that can't even use a coma

You missed the bus on this one.

 

[smellmyfarts]

All fine and dandy until you got to the bold part, especially the part about cops, since it's provably false.

Cops target black men in 2017 because we disproportionately commit far more crime. Only a complete idiot would argue this, as nobody targets black men more than black cops. Are there racists out there that simply harass black men because they inherently don't like them? Sure, there are racists of very race in every field. Humans in general are hard wired to be somewhat racists as a form of survival; however, in regards to cops being all over black men, it's because of precedence. Trust me on this, as I know a shitload of cops of multiple races.

As far as the equal pay thing goes, I don't know what to tell you. Go take a 100 level microeconomics course at your local community college. If anything, there is actually a price floor on female labor (they earn more for less production). I deal with floor level employees on a daily basis in retail, and I can tell you that one competent dude will often do the work of 3 women at some of my stores, yet they don't earn a penny more. Like other posters, you need to realize that this is 2017, not the 1970's. The wage gap has been proven false over and over and over, yet it simply won't die because they use it to emotionally charge female voters.