Who hits harder? Ngannou or Foreman

[fzoid4454]

Just curious as to everyone’s opinion as both have one hitter quitters and have enough skill to always land that single shot needed to end a fight. Who in your opinion hits harder?
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Foreman. He caved in people while wearing giant pillows on his hands, and didn't have the advantage of them needing to defend against anything but punches above the waist..

 

[jx820]

On average Foreman certainly hits harder.

Due to Nganou's longer reach, smaller gloves, and the momentum he put into his strikes I'd guess he's landed some of the biggest hardest single punches between the two men.

I'd rather eat the shot that put Norton down than the one that put Overeem down, but the Combo that put Norton down... thats a different story.

 

[TheGreatA]

We haven't really seen how hard Ngannou hits with boxing gloves.

Conor was one of the hardest hitters in MMA (pound for pound) but he didn't have much pop with boxing gloves.

The average heavyweight boxer could probably knock out dudes without boxing skill the way Ngannou does, if they had 4oz MMA gloves. Take a guy like Shannon Briggs, who Foreman fought when he was like 50 years old, he would easily have elite punching power by MMA standards.

 

[Noctilux]

Foreman KO’d Frazier and Norton. In twenty years no one will remember Ngannou, nevermind his opponents.

 

[Iron Nick]

If they both trained boxing to the same amount: Ngannou

In reality: Foreman

The difference in technique is what makes the difference in power as it is in reality between these guys.
As for boxers having better chins: they do on average have better chins, but not by that much; the reason boxers can eat heavier punches is due to the fact that they're always fully concentrated on nothing but their opponents trying to land strikes with their hands and also due to boxers being so fundamentally sound compared to MMA fighters when it comes to defense, footwork, etc., that they're almost never in really bad spots or out of position.

 

[GolovKing]

not regarding Foreman, but compared to Wilder:

Tony Johnson, ACA heavyweight champion:


https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/31959011/ufc-265-hits-different-facing-ko-power-derrick-lewis

yeah, I know


but he's fought Derrick Lewis, Daniel Cormier, Tim Sylvia, Cheick Kongo, Volkov, Minakov, and Aleks Emelianenko (among others)

He hasn't actually fought Francis or Wilder, probably just sparred them. Wilder's the kind of guy who will try to take your head off in sparring, Francis not so much from what I can tell. That could distort his view in some way

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Foreman was otherworldly in a way Ngannou just isn't. Big Frank throws big shots with clearly bad intent, and they hurt people. Foreman looked like he was throwing casual lazy shots, and it looked like he was killing people.

 

[fzoid4454]

On average Foreman certainly hits harder.

Due to Nganou's longer reach, smaller gloves, and the momentum he put into his strikes I'd guess he's landed some of the biggest hardest single punches between the two men.

I'd rather eat the shot that put Norton down than the one that put Overeem down, but the Combo that put Norton down... thats a different story.

The way he dismantled Joe Frazier was frightening to see/hear. I saw an interview with Marvis Frazier, where he was a kid when that fight happened and what he saw was so unbelievable and foreign to him that he thought his dad was goofing/playing around when he saw the fight.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

We haven't really see how hard Ngannou hits with boxing gloves.

Conor was one of the hardest hitters in MMA (pound for pound) but he didn't have much pop with boxing gloves.

The average heavyweight boxer could probably knock out dudes without boxing skill the way Ngannou does, if they had 4oz MMA gloves. Take a guy like Shannon Briggs, who Foreman fought when he was like 50 years old, he would easily have elite punching power by MMA standards.

Speaking of Briggs, you see he's supposed to be taking on Rampage in a boxing and then an MMA match?

 

[weaselkenievil]

Speaking of Briggs, you see he's supposed to be taking on Rampage in a boxing and then an MMA match?

I certainly hadn't, thanks for posting mate. A freakshow yes but I'm down, I'll keep an eye out for this.

And back to the thread, Foreman for me. He has the credentials to back it up, Francis hasn't.

 

[lafkabij]

Certainly true that the glove size makes a difference (as well as some other differences between the sports), but for just what's there, I'd say Ngannou has hit people harder than Foreman. He's the bigger man, and he gets his whole body into his punches, which is why it almost looks like he's decapitating people.

Of course, Foreman set his punches up better, against a more consistently high level of defense, and his power could hold up for a whole fight because it didn't require him to explode into every punch; he could do it just through his technique and how heavy his hands were. Also didn't have to worry about getting taken down, which might affect things like his stance and mechanics, although I don't think it makes the difference in this conversation.

But if I were asked to choose who someone should rather not take a clean shot from right out the gate, it'd probably be Ngannou

 

[newms84]

Hard to say for sure but anyone discrediting Foremans power is being silly. He hit like a truck. I personally think Foreman hit harder but that doesn't diminish what Francis can do, he has scary power too. It's been mentioned a few times in this thread but I don't know if people get how good boxers chins are comparatively

 

[NEETzschean]

Foreman was an accumulation knockout artist against really light opponents. I find it insufferable how many discussions on this site ignore extremely relevant info that can be verified in a few minutes. I have a boxrec account, it shows you how heavy Foreman's opponents were for his his fights. The heaviest guy he knocked out was 246, the 2nd was 235. The vast majority of his opponents weighed in south of 220.

Ngannou is much bigger and faster, he hits much harder than Foreman did.

Exactly. I expect the MMA forums to be a bit more objective than he dishonest nostalgic idiots that populate the boxing forums. Little George Foreman would not be an especially big puncher today and it's not an immutable law that boxers hit harder than MMA fighters or have better chins: look at how quickly Miocic KO'd Fabio Maldonado, the same Maldonado who went the 10 round distance with the hard punching boxer Oscar Rivas. If anyone wants a good laugh watch prime Foreman against cruiser fringe contender Jimmy Young: Foreman is slow, one-dimensional, has an atrocious gas tank and not enough power to get Young out of there, Young beats him 118-109 and gets a knock down in the 12th, despite Young being an extreme featherfist at HW (sub-20% KO ratio).

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Foreman by a country mile.

A better question would be Deontay Wilder vs Ngannou who hits harder and I still lean towards Deontay.

 

[NEETzschean]

Joe Frazier, Ali, Norton, Moorer, Evander etc would all smash Francis to bits in boxing with any gloves easily

Also it's not about a real fight, this is punching

Lol at Francis beating the likes of Ali, Frazier, Moorer and Holyfield

Frazier, Norton and Moorer all had weak chins and they weren't real heavies, they were blown-up light heavies and cruisers. Ngannou KO's them within 2 rounds easy, just as lesser punchers did. Ali and Holyfield were also not real heavyweights but they may have the chins, speed and stamina to hypothetically beat a journeyman-tier boxer like Ngannou by outpointing him.

 

[NEETzschean]

On average Foreman certainly hits harder.

Due to Nganou's longer reach, smaller gloves, and the momentum he put into his strikes I'd guess he's landed some of the biggest hardest single punches between the two men.

I'd rather eat the shot that put Norton down than the one that put Overeem down, but the Combo that put Norton down... thats a different story.

Foreman needed combos to get TKO's because he didn't have an explosive one-hitter-quitter like Ngannou. Look at how many times the half-blind manlet cruiser Frazier gets up from the heavy-handed Foreman, he'd have been bombed out straight away by Ngannou.

 

[WildShrimper]

45yr Foreman with a 10th rd KO of 26 yr undefeated HW champ Micheal Moorer.
Thats being heavy handed.
Not sure Francis could pull that off so late in a fight

The complete touch of death, look at how those look like arm punches and he's able to deaden people.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

I know the answer because I've been hit by both....

But the CTE runs too deep for you to remember the tale!

 

[Ballsaque]

Ngannou. Punching power has evolved a lot since the 70's.

It hasn't what so ever. Regressed if anything.

 

[jx820]

The way he dismantled Joe Frazier was frightening to see/hear. I saw an interview with Marvis Frazier, where he was a kid when that fight happened and what he saw was so unbelievable and foreign to him that he thought his dad was goofing/playing around when he saw the fight.

Yeah, I've seen that interview. The Frazier fight was brutal. I can't think of a better boxer taking a worse beating for all the fights I've seen.

 

[kflo]

Dead is dead…….