Who has the better grappling. Ciryl Gane or Poatan?

[joy2day]

Gane for sure. Yes Ngannou held him down and Jon Jones submitted him, but Ngannou is enormous and Jon Jones is arguably the greatest MMA practitioner in the history of the sport. It might not have been against top tier competition, but Gane hit a heel hook in the Octagon. How many other heavyweights in UFC history have landed heel hooks?

Answer: Four, and it's not likely many on here now would be able to name another big man that pulled one off.

I agree and disagree. I think Alex utilizes grappling in a way that will help him against elite competition; he uses it defensively (TD defense, guard) in an effective way in that context.

Gane on the other hand has never shown he has ANYTHING in the grappling department against elite competition. I will give that Jones is a better wrestler than anyone Alex has faced, but no way on the one-legged Francis fight; I saw with my own eyes that he laid there helpless on the ground for the longest time- against an injured guy that was not the greatest grappler (in a way no one good on the ground would do). The fact that he hit a unique submission against a lesser fighter doesn't really mean much in the bigger picture IMO, because he isn't going to get anyone good with that. Those low-mid level HWs are a joke.

As far as who wins in a wrestling match between the two, I don't know, and it doesn't really matter. Alex uses his grappling to promote his striking game in a more effective way in MMA than Gane, at least at the elite level. I also don't see Alex shitting the bed against a grappler like Gane did against Jones. Even if Alex did lose, he wouldn't look that pathetic.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

worst poster imo cant even give facts lol

You are widely regarded a P4P one of the worst posters here to the point that most people have jumped on the Japanese Whaler bandwagon.

 

[Ludwig von Mises]

You are widely regarded a P4P one of the worst posters here to the point that most people have jumped on the Japanese Whaler bandwagon.

Lmfaaaoooo

 

[moreorless87]

I agree and disagree. I think Alex utilizes grappling in a way that will help him against elite competition; he uses it defensively (TD defense, guard) in an effective way in that context.

Gane on the other hand has never shown he has ANYTHING in the grappling department against elite competition. I will give that Jones is a better wrestler than anyone Alex has faced, but no way on the one-legged Francis fight; I saw with my own eyes that he laid there helpless on the ground for the longest time- against an injured guy that was not the greatest grappler (in a way no one good on the ground would do). The fact that he hit a unique submission against a lesser fighter doesn't really mean much in the bigger picture IMO, because he isn't going to get anyone good with that. Those low-mid level HWs are a joke.

As far as who wins in a wrestling match between the two, I don't know, and it doesn't really matter. Alex uses his grappling to promote his striking game in a more effective way in MMA than Gane, at least at the elite level. I also don't see Alex shitting the bed against a grappler like Gane did against Jones. Even if Alex did lose, he wouldn't look that pathetic.

It does go along with the "French Edmond" talk around Lopez, Gane fights like someone who thinks he's a vastly better grappler than he actually is, able to sub low level grappling opposition but comes unstuck against anyone good who gets hold of him.

 

[Istryker]

Taking down Stipe of no knees is no great accomplishment, which Ngannou managed once in two attempts, which says nothing about his ability to wrestle. The only other times Ngannou attempted a takedown against vaguely legitimate competition (Renan is a joke) were a failed attempt in the first Stipe fight and five attempts (four successful) against Gane, which says a lot more about Gane than about Ngannou.

who has poatan taken down

 

[JBJ was here]

who has poatan taken down

Israel Adesanya, who definitely has better takedown defense than Ciryl Gane or the ghost of Stipe Miocic. Not great, but better. Also not the point, which didn't come close to mentioning Poatan.

 

[Crash Lance]

In my opinion, Alex Pereira would win Jiu-jitsu tournaments against Ciryl.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

I've never gotten the idea that Gane had a bad ground game. I'd argue he probably has a better ground game than Poatan.

 

[NoSmilez]

It's probably Gane. He is also a much larger human being. I don't think Gane is losing top position to Alex. Alex is purely defensive off his back. Alex prefers the top position too. I don't see Alex getting top position against Gane unless Gane does something reckless like dive for a leglock no setup. Gane can probably still get back up.