Who has been winning (US)?

[Deleted member 159002]

It seems like conservatives and liberals often complain about how far to the other side the other side has made the country. Using the last 50 years as a timeframe, lets look at victories for each side and try to come up with a better picture of who has been winning the last 50 years. I'll get the ball rolling with 4 victories for each side.

Liberal victories
Health insurance companies can no longer deny coverage based on preexisting conditions
Gay marriage legal in 50 states
Abortion legal in 50 states
Pollution regulations and laws protecting wildlife

Conservative victories
Income tax on highest earners; capital gains tax; and taxes on dividends all cut
More right-to-work states
Increase in charter schools
The 2013 sequester

 

[Fawlty]

Incorporation of the 2nd, and corporate personhood for the right

 

[Quipling]

Incorporation of the 2nd, and corporate personhood for the right

Corporate personhood has been a reality in the nation since the 19th century. The real issue was the way it combined money=speech rulings (1976) with novel corporate structures.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Conservatives have won big on the 2nd amendment for the last decade and a half really. Even Obama's big push after 2012 which had the Aurora theater shooting and the Sandy Hook massacre didn't work.

 

[ripskater]

I think the country has been going liberal for a long time.

JFK and even Bill Clinton of the 90's would be considered nutjob conservatives today.

 

[Lead]

Socially- liberals
Fiscally- both (Dems and GOP)

 

[T-Bone]

Liberal victories
1. ACA... to insure 15,000,000, while leaving another 25,000,000 uninsured
2. Slowly but surely, increasing taxes on the evil rich
3. Roe v Wade allowing women to have as much unprotected sex as their VaJJs can handle, while providing women a mulligan

Conservative victories
1. Won the cold war
2. 2nd ammendment applies to an individual's right to bear arms
3. School vouchers
4. 4 balanced budget in the Clinton administration
5. Rebuilt the armed forces during Reagan and then Bush 41
6. Bush 43... GAO reported the government would take in 1 trillion more than it needed. Bush 43 gave the money back to the people ( it was the money after all)
7. Desegregation even when the Southern Democrats fought it

-T

 

[MilesAbove]

MegaCorporations win by pitting them against each other expertly, and finding how to make politics just like Vegas betting line totals on cash-in.

It's astounding how well they do it.

 

[MilesAbove]

Liberal victories
1. ACA... to insure 15,000,000, while leaving another 25,000,000 uninsured
2. Slowly but surely, increasing taxes on the evil rich
3. Roe v Wade allowing women to have as much unprotected sex as their VaJJs can handle, while providing women a mulligan

Conservative victories
1. Won the cold war
2. 2nd ammendment applies to an individual's right to bear arms
3. School vouchers
4. 4 balanced budget in the Clinton administration
5. Rebuilt the armed forces during Reagan and then Bush 41
6. Bush 43... GAO reported the government would take in 1 trillion more than it needed. Bush 43 gave the money back to the people ( it was the money after all)
7. Desegregation even when the Southern Democrats fought it

-T

You know you're an idiot when you can't even acknowledge accomplishments on one side or another.... and then you sign your name on a MMA forum in the political sub-forum like anyone was confused on who the dumbass was that wrote the post.

 

[T-Bone]

You know you're an idiot when you can't even acknowledge accomplishments on one side or another.... and then you sign your name on a MMA forum in the political sub-forum like anyone was confused on who the dumbass was that wrote the post.

Whew... glad I am not an idiot. Because I acknowledged accomplishments on both sides. I just put it in perspective. You know, so the people with lesser intelligence really understand the ramifications of a "win."

Sounds like the liberal got his feelings hurt.

-T

MegaCorporations win by pitting them against each other expertly, and finding how to make politics just like Vegas betting line totals on cash-in.

You complained about my post, but you did not attribute your "win" to conservative or liberal. It may not be clear to everyone so you really should have elaborated. But I won't fault you for it. I'm not here to try to control the way you write your post. So don't try to do it with me.

-T

 

[MilesAbove]

Whew... glad I am not an idiot. Because I acknowledged accomplishments on both sides. I just put it in perspective. You know, so the people with lesser intelligence really understand the ramifications of a "win."

Sounds like the liberal got his feelings hurt.

-T

Except I'm a republican and just not an idiot. You're a standard pithy ass. Which is fine, you belong on here like most of us. But you're also are not as clever or unique as you think. You're just another ass, short of stormfront but wholly unworthy of note..... hey, maybe that's the point of the signing thing, yeah?

 

[T-Bone]

Except I'm a republican and just not an idiot. You're a standard pithy ass. Which is fine, you belong on here like most of us. But you're also are not as clever or unique as you think. You're just another ass, short of stormfront but wholly unworthy of note..... hey, maybe that's the point of the signing thing, yeah?

I was not trying to be clever. I was stating facts. Everything I posted was factual. Of course I added commentary. Like the Roe v Wade. Cuz that's where women really wanted. They wanted the Do Over.

You really have me curious. What in particular that set you off about my post? Was it the commentary is associated to virtually every "win?"

-T

 

[Anung Un Rama]

50 Years ago - 1966

War on Drugs - most racist policy since Jim Crowe
Military Industrial Complex is off the reservation.
Healthcare and higher education costs skyrocketed since the late 70s, early 80s.
Income Inequality worsening since during the same timeframe.
NAFTA,
Wars against Grenada ...Panama , Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq (2), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, (still in Vietnam in '66, too)
Patriot Act
NSA
Media companies merging
Banks getting bigger




SSM legalized

 

[Fawlty]

I think the country has been going liberal for a long time.

JFK and even Bill Clinton of the 90's would be considered nutjob conservatives today.

lol no. Bill Clinton would not be considered a nutjob conservative today. The furthest right thing he did was decentralize welfare. He set higher taxes than Obama.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

@sabretruth

You might have to compile a list in the OP; 2 brackets: left, right, & gray.

 

[NelmarksGhost]

The rich are winning. The middle class is losing. The poor are holding even.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Institutions of higher learning have been on a drastic decline since the left has been controlling them.

The left has been promoting a culture of entitlement, indulgence, victimhood, blame, guilt and dependence.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

...and then you sign your name on a MMA forum in the political sub-forum like anyone was confused on who the dumbass was that wrote the post.

There was another poster who used to sign their name like that I don't see anymore named IGIT but their views seemed more to the left. Maybe an alt...

 

[Jack V Savage]

50 years isn't really a good timeframe because there have been two major turning points. First in 1981, the right started winning really big (unions, declining tax progressivity, regulations, etc.), and then starting in 2009, the left made huge gains (returning tax progressivity, ACA, green energy, etc.). Since 1966, the record is pretty mixed (gains in some areas for both sides, losses in others).

lol no. Bill Clinton would not be considered a nutjob conservative today. The furthest right thing he did was decentralize welfare. He set higher taxes than Obama.

The "Reagan would be too liberal to get elected today/Clinton would be too conservative to get elected today" stuff misses the point that presidents can't do anything unless there's a lot of support for it. You can't take a politician out of his own time because it's so important to driving what he does or doesn't do.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

50 Years ago - 1966

War on Drugs - most racist policy since Jim Crowe
Military Industrial Complex is off the reservation.
Healthcare and higher education costs skyrocketed since the late 70s, early 80s.
Income Inequality worsening since during the same timeframe.
NAFTA,
Wars against Grenada ...Panama , Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq (2), Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Pakistan, (still in Vietnam in '66, too)
Patriot Act
NSA
Media companies merging
Banks getting bigger




SSM legalized

Rising healthcare and college costs, income inequality, and media companies getting bigger may be the result of certain policies but a lot of the trends you identified are neither liberal nor conservative victories.