Who do you think is physically stronger between prime Karelin and current Ngannou?

[Mal Intentions]

Not true. Fast twitching muscles and isometric strength is strongly correlated.

See here a perfect example of that

thats just a good example of pudz being a freak tbh

 

[Swepingright]

well i think most hw Olympic wrestler are probably stronger than ngannou

No they aren't.

 

[Swepingright]

thats just a good example of pudz being a freak tbh

No it's hugely correlated..you mentioned Lesnar Who was an explosive wrestler

 

[NDiaz209]

Just because Francis won the rematch it doesn't erase the first fight. It was pure domination from Stipe.

What does that have to do with who is stronger between Aleksandr Karelin and Francis Ngannou?

 

[Swepingright]

Karelin would pick up Ngannou and twirl him on his finger like a basketball. His signature move was picking up 280+ lbs men dead off the floor from his knees and throwing them back over his head. It's not even close.

Why do you hold a standard against Ngannou that nobody has tested him on?

 

[Unfinished]

No it's hugely correlated..you mentioned Lesnar Who was an explosive wrestler

Could Karelin or Ngannou do this though?

 

[Lee_]

The way Karelin could pick up people and slam them in WRESTLING had people scared of getting hurt by him.

Plus, the familiar story of Karelin carrying a refrigerator up 8 flights of stairs on his back:
Alexander Karelin - TIME

Francis could knock a guy out, but I don't think he could....

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Remember when Karelin got his shit pushed in by this guy? Hahaha, life is so funny.

 

[Swepingright]

We haven't seen Ngannou's strength on display outside of ko power

Yes we have. He picked up Shaq

 

[TheMaster]

Not at all

There are plenty of elite boxers known for their power that wouldn't be able to outlift your average gym bro

Someone who is insanely strong in lifting weight is also more likely to be stiffer when it comes to explosive movements

Exactly.
Punching power is not correlated much with weight lifting strength.
It's a whole body explosive movement but primarily the tendons elasticity and fast twitch muscle fibres.

 

[Swepingright]

Could Karelin or Ngannou do this though?

That's not really a strength display. It's acrobatics

 

[TheGreatA]

Karelin would toss Ngannou around like a child.

 

[Swepingright]

Exactly.
Punching power is not correlated with weight lifting strength much.
It's a whole body explosive movement but primarily the tendons elasticity and fast twitch muscle fibres.

It is correlated. And Ngannou KOed someone with a jab. Not an explosive right hand.

 

[Swepingright]

Karelin would toss Ngannou around like a child.

Well duh. He's a wrestler and Ngannou isn't.

 

[kflo]

Karelins supposed bench press is 704 Lb, which would put him in the elites if true.

I don't have any numbers on Ngannou but he would be close

Who said that?

 

[Swepingright]

Exactly.
Punching power is not correlated much with weight lifting strength.
It's a whole body explosive movement but primarily the tendons elasticity and fast twitch muscle fibres.

Slow-twitch muscle fibers (also known as “Type I”) generate less power and strength than fast-twitch fibers, but they have can sustain activity for longer

https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/muscle-fiber-test/

 

[TheMaster]

It is correlated. And Ngannou KOed someone with a jab. Not an explosive right hand.

Wilder hits far harder than Ngannou. He brutally KO's elite boxers in 10 ounce gloves. Ngannou couldn't do anything to blackbeast in 4 ounce.
Ngannou hits hard for MMA but there is no comparison between their punching power.

 

[Mal Intentions]

Remember when Karelin got his shit pushed in by this guy? Hahaha, life is so funny.

u obviously didnt even watch that match, he ran from him the whole time and won on a technicality, good try though

 

[Swepingright]

Wilder hits far harder than Ngannou. He brutally KO's elite boxers in 10 ounce gloves. Ngannou couldn't do anything to blackbeast in 4 ounce.
Nganniu hit hard for MMA but there is no comparison between their punching power.

Ngannou didn't try to do anything. He was depressed. Wilder has knocked out 99% bums in can division.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

u obviously didnt even watch that match, he ran from him the whole time and won on a technicality, good try though

Let's start with the facts. Karelin lost to a guy in the Olympics who also starred on the Biggest Loser.

Who is the fattest person Ngannou has lost to?