Who do you rate higher on the all time list, Chuck Liddell or Dan Henderson?

Dan Henderson. In their prime it would have been a good fight but I have Henderson slightly ahead overall.
 
Dan really needs to be in the PIONEER WING in the UFC Hall of Fame Chuck is. Tito & Chuck started out with Dana and are the beginnings of the UFC. It says something that none of Chuck's fights are in the UFC Hall of Fame but one of Dan's is and a few more of his should be in.
 
Of course he does, I’m not saying he doesn’t. I’m just saying that at times it turns into UFC vs. pride thing as in Pride/UFC purists usually side with the organization they like. A lot of pride purists hated the “overrated” Chuck back in the day probably because he was the UFC poster boy who was always gunning for their boy Wanderlei. (Who also fought in the UFC) Same thing with UFC purists. They tried to say Wanderlei Silva was massively overrated because he got beat before his prime pretty badly when he was in the UFC. Ends up being a wash.

Henderson had like 2 fights in the UFC,
and 4 or 5 fights in rings before going to pride and having about 18 fights or so before it shut down. I’m more or less talking about prime vs. prime. Dan definitely had a better latter part to his career. Chuck fell off a cliff career wise unfortunately once he was hitting 40. Really tainted some peoples perspective on his legacy. Makes it a bummer for me as a fan.

Edit: I quoted someone, but it removed the quote for some reason.. don’t feel like fixing it haha. But anyway, both are legends and deserve respect!
 
Truly don’t know who would win prime for prime. If that had fought 05-06 I say Chuck. If Henderson fought Chuck 2008 on Chuck woulda got koed.
 
I am gonna go with Hendo on this one just based on longevity. Both guys had exact same records at 25 fights, 20-5.

If you break down their accomplishments. Chuck was a greater champion as he won the LHW belt and defended 4 times. Dan won the Rings GP beating Yvel, Babalu and Big Nog which is impressive. And he also won the Pride MW title. Edge goes to Chuck so far.

But after that Chuck dropped off and went 1-4 and his career ended. Dan on the other hand won the Pride LHW title, continued fighting and beating some very notable names like Fedor, Shogun 2x, Belfort, Framklin and continued to be a top fighter and title challenger.
 
Not enough people here are mentioning how Hendo got absolutely dismantled by Jake Shields. Any version of Chuck (including the one that ended his career on a spectacular KO loss streak) would knock Jake Shields head into the bleachers. That was such an ugly loss for Hendo and changed the way I saw him as a fighter. He was susceptible to wrestling in a way that Chuck wasn't. Which is weird because Hendo's pure wrestling credentials dwarf Chuck's.
 
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Seahawks Fan said:
Not enough people here are mentioning how Hendo got absolutely dismantled by Jake Shields. Any version of Chuck (including the one that ended his career on a spectacular KO loss streak) would knock Jake Shields head into the bleachers.that was such an ugly loss for Hendo and changed the way I saw him as a fighter. He was susceptible to wrestling in a way Chuck wasn't. 2hivh is weird because Hendo's pure wrestling credentials dwarf Chuck's.
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First of all, Hendo was 40 years old when he fought Shields. Second, you cans don't realize Hendo's back was completely fucked up for the Shields fight. It should be obvious to anyone with an IQ over 12 that actually watched it. He didn't pull out unlike 99.9% of fighters.

Oh and lol at the rest of that nonsense. Hell, Chuck got lit up by a broken arm.

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Chuck strictly as a UFC star and LHW champion > Hendo

Hendo > Chuck overall though.

Hendo just been everywhere and done so much in his career.

Even though he failed both times he carried PRIDE on his back as a 2 division champion and fought 2 unification title fights which was as bad ass as it gets.

Hespect to both though.
 
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He was never considered the best LHW or MW in the world because he played musical chairs between those divisions.
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Yeah, that and the fact that he never really put together a dominant run at the top of any division. He has great wins on his resume but he also mixed wins and loses.

Hendo has a who’s-who of wins and loses across multiple weight classes and stellar longevity whereas Chuck had an undeniable few years at the top of LHW. That’s what makes it so difficult to compare; they each did what the other one didn’t.
 
From day 1, I was never impressed with chuck. He looked so beatable to the untrained eye. Loved when I youtubed his ass kicking via rampage.

Hendo had some snoozes, but my god did he have explosive replacements. Those shogun fights were unbelievable.

It's always gonna be hendo
 
BROWNPRIDE said:
Hendo for sure. He has bigger wins than chuck and longevity
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The longevity is how hendo should be the obvious winner. Chuck did good in his time, but it didnt last. Continuing to fight, even with trt, has gotta have measurable results, vs not doing anything.
 
This one is tough for me. Chuck had a much bigger impact on the sport and did way better in the UFC, but Dan has a better resume overall. However Dan being on TRT for 6-7 years during is StrikeForce and UFC run kinda taints his resume a bit for me.

So I guess Chuck gets my vote
 
acannxr said:
Henderson has 6 top ten ranked wins at Light Heavyweight.
Liddell has 8 top ten ranked wins at Light Heavyweight.

If you eliminate their shared wins at LHW, it ultimately boils down to Ortiz x2 and Couture x2 compared to Shogun x2, and I consider the former being stronger for a resume than the latter.

Therefore, Liddell > Henderson @ LHW (I don't engage in P4P discussions).

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The Flyweight version is here. The Bantamweight version is here. The Featherweight version is here. The Lightweight version is here. The Welterweight version is here. The Middleweight version is here. The Heavyweight version is here. Champions with most wins in each division here. The...
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I don’t think you followed the sport for very long. And typed formed your opinion on something you never saw and just went by some guys article.
 
HavokHarmon said:
Yeah, that and the fact that he never really put together a dominant run at the top of any division. He has great wins on his resume but he also mixed wins and loses.

Hendo has a who’s-who of wins and loses across multiple weight classes and stellar longevity whereas Chuck had an undeniable few years at the top of LHW. That’s what makes it so difficult to compare; they each did what the other one didn’t.
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The only reason why Hendo wasnt the undisputed best MW in the planet was for some guy named Anderson who is a GOAT contender.

If not for that, Hendo was arguably closer to be #1 at MW than Liddel was at LHW during Pride heyday, and remind we are discussing overall career not just under UFC banner.

Hendo also did better vs common opponents despite the considerable size/weight difference, including vs Rampage.

Hard to compare Liddel with other great LHW as Wand, Rampage or Shogun, but there is not much room to place Hendo behind any of them except for TRT issues
 
Seahawks Fan said:
Not enough people here are mentioning how Hendo got absolutely dismantled by Jake Shields. Any version of Chuck (including the one that ended his career on a spectacular KO loss streak) would knock Jake Shields head into the bleachers. That was such an ugly loss for Hendo and changed the way I saw him as a fighter. He was susceptible to wrestling in a way that Chuck wasn't. Which is weird because Hendo's pure wrestling credentials dwarf Chuck's.
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This is what I'm saying. His wins might be better, but his loses are worse. And some of his wins are worse. That, and Hendo never defended a championship. Someone posted a pic of Hendo with 4 belts, but he has 0 defenses of those belts. He was PRIDE MW champ for 2 years and never defended at MW after he won the belt.
 
man it is close tbh, here is how I would break it down while trying my hardest to minimize bias since Chuck is my all time favorite fighter
Common opponents: Shogun, Rashad, Vitor, Wandy, Babalu, Franklin, Rampage
Hendo went:
2-0 vs Shogun
0-1 vs Rashad (barely lost)
1-2 vs Vitor
1-1 vs Wandy (his win was a killer ko)
2-0 vs Babalu
1-0 vs Franklin
0-1 vs Rampage (one of the most underrated fights ever)
7-5 record

Chuck went:
0-1 vs Shogun
0-1 vs Rashad while getting sent to the Shadow Realm
1-0 vs Vitor (if you wanna look up an example of Rogan bias, this fight was a good one)
1-0 vs Wandy (won a UD 2-1)
1-0 vs Babalu
0-1 vs Franklin (his real final fight, got knocked out cold)
0-2 vs Rampage (just couldn't figure him out)
3-5 record

other notable opponents:
Hendo- Fedor at HW while weighing at 207, Machida, Anderson Silva, DC, Bisping twice, Big nog, lil nog , Arona
Chuck- Randy twice, Tito twice, Overeem at LHW, Randleman

Hendo once again has the edge, no doubt that his resume of foes is greater than Chucks

Biggest accomplishments: Hendo was the OG double champ at the same damn time right before PRIDE folded
Chuck defended LHW 4 times, but my takeaway was that some of the best fighters at 205 at that time were in PRIDE, arguably their 205 division was better too, but really that division was rock-paper-scissors as to who's the best until Jones came into the picture
I always wondered who would win 1 v 1 in their primes, I think it would be a toss up, Chuck had more well rounded standup and had good kicks too, but Hendo had the heavier hands, Chuck would cancel out his wrestling for sure, I think in that case, Chuck would probably win UD
Overall career wise, I would give it to Hendo due to longevity and resume of wins and opponents
my best friend was a huge Hendo fan and we always did Chuck vs Hendo in the UFC games, man we had some wars lol
 
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