Who changed their mind re: Ronda vs Floyd?

[PancraseForever]

I noticed that people say that Floyd would KO her with a punch before she could even clinch. Does this rule not apply if he is fighting a male MMA fighter?

 

[ElLunico]

People here have no fucking clue how fast and strong mayweather is. Ronda would not lay a hand on floyd before getting KO'ed even if they were fighting in an elevator.

Fucking hell these dudes are clue less. And I dont even like floyd.

 

[rpn453]

I noticed that people say that Floyd would KO her with a punch before she could even clinch. Does this rule not apply if he is fighting a male MMA fighter?

It depends if the male MMA fighter goes straight in winging girl punches with his eyes closed and chin in the air.

 

[Lovetap]

you do know theres been tons of research proving men are actually biologically stronger than women right? about twice as strong in the upperbody, do your research. whats between your legs definitely effects your strength and speed.

even rondas mother has stated a female has no place competing with a male in combat sports because the two are just built differently even at the same weight

Again some of you miss the point.

The GENDER is not the issue. The issue is:

1. Speed
2. Technique
3. Power

Focus on these things directly instead and you make discussion of gender irrelevant. Focusing on the gender just makes things emotional and completely illogical. You have a bunch of tough guys out there who get their panties in a bunch when you mention the idea of even the most gifted female fighter being able to beat a 80 year old man with one arm. They seem to think admitting this means their balls will fall off or something. It just gets ridiculous. Therefore I prefer to avoid it entirely and just talk about the things that matter.

 

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I'd still give her a good chance because he doesn't know any clinch or ground and that's where she'd get him. Holly knows both of those in addition to the boxing.

 

[ElLunico]

I noticed that people say that Floyd would KO her with a punch before she could even clinch. Does this rule not apply if he is fighting a male MMA fighter?

Males are superior physically so no. And floyd has brittle hands and not really a hard puncher. Guess what holm wasn't a puncher either and she was hurting rousey with her punches.

 

[ElLunico]

I'd still give her a good chance because he doesn't know any clinch or ground and that's where she'd get him. Holly knows both of those in addition to the boxing.

LOL she would not be able to touch floyd in a ring or cage before running into a shot. Unless they were fighting in an airplane toilet she would not fucking touch an all time great boxer like floyd in a ring, cage or parking lot.

 

[Gluteus Swag]

Is there a discussion anywhere on the internet where only people who have done at least some training share their opinions?

Anyone who has trained grappling has seen 150lbs guys takedown 200lbs~+ guys like they were nothing (when there is a large skill gap). This is a much larger size and strength gap than between Floyd and Ronda.

All of the people saying Ronda has NO CHANCE lead me to believe that they've never grappled in their life.

 

[Sgt Smith]

There's a reason women do not fight men...and it's not chivalry.

 

[Lovetap]

I noticed that people say that Floyd would KO her with a punch before she could even clinch. Does this rule not apply if he is fighting a male MMA fighter?

Great point. Like I keep trying to tell them: gender is irrelevant. Imagine Ronda being a male mixed mixed martial artist with the same power, speed, technique, etc. The answer doesn't change because of that alone. Now when you do this and succeed in getting people to get past the whole male versus female hangup the discussion becomes more relevant and productive.

1. Can Mayweather prevent the takedown?
2. Can Ronda get Mayweather down without getting hurt?
3. If Ronda gets Mayweather down is it pretty much accepted that the fight will be over?

This all sounds lot like UFC 1 type stuff to me...

 

[Irenaeus]

I don't particularly think that her legitimacy is in any way related to these kind of hypothetical matchups. That said, if two people meet without training for each other, I'll bet against the person without grappling and wrestling experience every time.

Just like a lot of people underestimate how large the strength discrepancies are between the sexes, they seem to think that athletes without any kind of grappling experience has counters in scenarios like this. But they don't. If Mayweather hasn't trained grappling, he sucks at it. Completely. And it's not like he's a big guy either.

 

[rpn453]

The whole male versus female aspect of it is nearly 100% irrelevant. What matters are things like speed, strength and technique of the individual fighters involved.

If you really think someone who knows ZERO grappling or even takedown defense has anything besides a "puncher's chance" against a professional MMA fighter (male or female as again it's irrelevant here) then I don't know what to tell you but to watch UFC 1 again.

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The type and level of professional MMA fighter is not irrelevant though. The difference between Fabricio Werdum and Lisa Ellis is enormous.

Ronda is a skilled grappler, but I don't think she's as skilled as Royce Gracie, she certainly doesn't understand real fighting like he does, she moves slower, and she's nowhere near as big and strong.

 

[Scyther]

TS it's good you've come to your senses.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Great point. Like I keep trying to tell them: gender is irrelevant. Imagine Ronda being a male mixed mixed martial artist with the same power, speed, technique, etc. The answer doesn't change because of that alone. Now when you do this and succeed in getting people to get past the whole male versus female hangup the discussion becomes more relevant and productive.

1. Can Mayweather prevent the takedown?
2. Can Ronda get Mayweather down without getting hurt?
3. If Ronda gets Mayweather down is it pretty much accepted that the fight will be over?

This all sounds lot like UFC 1 type stuff to me...

Really though "woman fighting" and "Boxing" for a large percentage of America means that sexism/nationalism rises up and preplaces all logical thought.

If Floyd came in totally cold to MMA then he would really just have a small chance of a early KO unless Rouseys ego is still so big she actually tries to exchange with him.

 

[RandomUser12]

Really though "woman fighting" and "Boxing" for a large percentage of America means that sexism/nationalism rises up and preplaces all logical thought.

Logical thought is seeing a woman incapable of closing distance without getting hit & concluding she'd get her lights put out by any competant male fighter of a comparable size.

It's both hilarious & disturbing that there there are still people attempting to argue otherwise, even in spite of what happened over the weekend.

She still would beat up Floyd Mayweather in a street fight.

1. Floyd does not punch as hard as Holly kicks (kinda a no-brainer)
2. Holly has better TD defense than Floyd (who has zero abilities in that department)
3. Ronda Rousey would flying armbar/guard pull Floyd without even needing to getthe TD

I don't know what's more embarrassing, the implication that Mayweather doesn't have enough power to put Rousey's lights out or equating Holm's sonning of her to a solitary kick.

 

[saugeye killah]

I want to see Brawk vs. Floyd.

 

[Joe Buck]

Who knows? Floyd looks like a scared little kid outside of the ring.

you never fight in your life, i guess. how can all believe rhonda beat floyd

 

[r0b0d0c]

Great point. Like I keep trying to tell them: gender is irrelevant.

There's a reason women don't compete against men in, well, anything. I even think they have separate bowling leagues.

 

[StephanieB]

I can't believe some of you are taking the post 'Lovetap' seriously lol. He/she said 'gender is irrelevant' when it comes to fighting. It's like all of you are a bunch of trolls arguing about it to get other people to comment seriously on it where you can feel smarter about yourselves.

 

[rpn453]

I can't believe some of you are taking the post 'Lovetap' seriously lol. He/she said 'gender is irrelevant' when it comes to fighting. It's like all of you are a bunch of trolls arguing about it to get other people to comment seriously on it where you can feel smarter about yourselves.

The point that gender doesn't matter in the context of specific attributes is true though. It's a legitimate argument. The problem is that a male with the same power, speed, technique, etc. as Ronda Rousey is a recreational fighter with a soft physique and a .500 record in local shows. But it's still possible that guy could drag Floyd down and submit him.