White Supremacist Rally, v5: White supremacism STILL unpopular! Who'd have guessed?

Other people seemed to have understood me just fine, I think you're just being willfully obtuse.

That's nice for other people.
But i am sincerely curious.
If your original question was not sarcastic, I would really like for you to walk me through the thought process that extrapolated the criticism of a poll's validity and a disparaging remark about BLM, into sympathy for the grievances of white supremacists over those of the black community? Especially as i did not mention either of the latter two groups.

Are BLM, their messages and behaviours representative of the black community as a whole? To such an extent that everyone who dislikes BLM is a white supremacist?

You made a massive leap of faith, not reason or rationality, to arrive at the conclusion you did about my stance, based on what little my remark actually expressed.
Did i dog whistle?
 
When a BLM group shuts down white people from speaking, chanting for the death of cops, blocking gay parades or rioting in the street they are not really representing BLM? Only the good things BLM do represent BLM? Seems rather convenient.

But of course. Also, the leaders of sects of the organization, aren't actually leaders, unless they don't make batshit demands.
 
"Hillary has a 96% chance of winning according to the polls" - Mergemick & friends

"Someone saying something is 96% likely to happen means they're saying the other 4% is impossible and they're biased" - statistical illiterates
 
When a BLM group shuts down white people from speaking, chanting for the death of cops, blocking gay parades or rioting in the street they are not really representing BLM? Only the good things BLM do represent BLM? Seems rather convenient.

Organizers of groups are responsible for keeping their members in order. If you have a group of people engaging in bad behavior (such as chanting for the death of cops--which wasn't a BLM thing, BTW http://www.snopes.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-chant-for-dead-cops-now-in-baton-rouge/), it's fair to blame that group, but "BLM" as a whole is not organized like that.

BTW, aren't you breaking your resolution here? What do you think should be done to stop people from opposing biased policing?

Gandhi had it right.
The ONLY morally correct way to protest in the face of ardent opposition is with non- violence.
I'm not a joiner, not a rally or meeting attendee.
So I'm gonna be vocal as I can where I use my voice. Ordinary Americans gotta stand up and plead for enchillulatory attitudes

That's a new word for me.
 
Shortly after denouncing the white supremacists, Trump announced there were "fine people on both sides"

Pardon me for doubting his sincerity.

But which white supremacists do you think he was calling fine people?

I'm sure there were law abiding, decent people who do not hate black people in that group. I really don't know much about the group, however. I first heard "unite the right" but it has morphed in the media to a kkk rally. I have seen pics of Nazi flags, and I wouldn't march next to them unless I had to to save my life.

I will admit it's a stretch to say any person who identifies as a white supremacist is a gopd, or fine, person. They can be, and often are I think, law abiding people who love their own families.. I worked with a black guy in a factory to admitting not liking white people, in your opinion is it possible that he is a decent person?
 
So there was the white nationalist groups like the Traditionalist Workers Party and Nationalist Socialist Movement vs the commies.

Fucking hilarious. It was like a libertarian wet dream having all these collectivist scumbags fighting eachother.
 
lol at Christopher Cantwell going from Rambo to theon greyjoy and losing his boston accent.
 
When a BLM group shuts down white people from speaking, chanting for the death of cops, blocking gay parades or rioting in the street they are not really representing BLM? Only the good things BLM do represent BLM? Seems rather convenient.




When a Trump supporter groups marches in the streets, chants about jews and surrounds counter protesters or running them over, they aren't really representing Trump supporters? Only the good things Trump supporters represent do represent the Trump supporters? Seems rather convenient.

Now see, if someone said that you would probably not be happy with it. So why does it apply to the groups you don't like instead of the one you do like?
 
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How can no one see a huge double standard between white people who protest and blm who check cars for whites to attack when they protest

Who riots more?
Who is more violent?

Thats what i dont get here; why should Trump kiss ass to a group that was blocking a road wearing masks, looking for people to beat up with baseball bats and they even hit the killers car with a bat before he hit anyone! You can't expect one person not to freak out in that sistuation

I mean if the KKK, which doesn't exist, was wearing robes and blocking the street looking for people to attack, the car attacker would get his face on the 20$ bill and become the next Rosa Parks
 
And, yeah, there was a couple of incidents of violence that was denounced by a lot of supporters of the movement. How is what you're doing different from someone saying that the Unite the Right assholes tar the whole right?

You make a great point, but there has been more violence and destruction while a group chants "Black Lives Matter" vs the 1000 neck beards that showed up to the unite the right march. Maybe BLM should try and organize a little better, because a lot of people (myself included) are getting the wrong idea.

I just went to their website and I am on board with all of this, it's just that more times than not these aren't the messages that are being projected. There are a lot racist remarks floating around the internet that end with #BLM, but you don't see White on Black racist remarks end with #RightWing or #Republicans.
 
"Someone saying something is 96% likely to happen means they're saying the other 4% is impossible and they're biased" - statistical illiterates

It's worse than that, really. Silver had Clinton at about 70% at the end. That's not even that unlikely.
 
You make a great point, but there has been more violence and destruction while a group chants "Black Lives Matter" vs the 1000 neck beards that showed up to the unite the right march. Maybe BLM should try and organize a little better, because a lot of people (myself included) are getting the wrong idea.

That's the idea behind Campaign Zero (just one example, and there are some bad ones, too). There's no official voice of BLM, but people who are behind the basic goal can actually create formal groups with a controlled message and membership.

I just went to their website and I am on board with all of this, it's just that more times than not these aren't the messages that are being projected. There are a lot remarks floating around the internet that end with #BLM, but you don't see White on Black racist remarks end with #RightWing or #Republicans.

Sure. BLM is a hashtag in a way that those other things aren't.
 
When a Trump supporter groups marches in the streets, chants about jews and surrounds counter protesters or running them over, they aren't really representing Trump supporters? Only the good things Trump supporters represent do represent the Trump supporters? Seems rather convenient.

Now see, if someone said that you would probably not be happy with it. So why does it apply to the groups you don't like instead of the one you do like?

Your example does not work because being a Trump supporter is not related to racial supremacy. There are people from all walks of life, ethnicity and sex who voted for, and support, Donald Trump. A better example to use would be a racial supremacy group because BLM is ultimately a black supremacy group.

This is more fitting:

When a KKK group marches in the streets, chants about jews and surrounds counter protesters or running them over, they aren't really representing KKK supporters? Only the good things KKK supporters represent do represent the KKK supporters? Seems rather convenient.
 
You're completely happy with society and the institutions in place? Everything is perfectly fair and hunky dory?

Of course not, but I support non-violent democratic reform where the rights of all are protected to the senseless and often nihilistic violence of the extreme left and the organized racism of the extreme right.

You think they are so unequal that a violent revolution is necessary to change them? You think anonymous political violence from Antifa will improve things? Your partial support of thuggery and fascist tactics street violence tactics is ugly and illiberal.

It is actually dismaying to me how many folks I consider moderate liberals are perfectly fine with thugs attacking journalists because 'society isn't perfect'.
 
This is a weird thing to say after he condemned them.
He didn't. He continually gives them some measure of credit and some measure of validity. There's far more equivocating from the left about Antifa than there is from the right about these Nazi assholes. Both kinds of equivocation are wrong and illiberal.
 
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