International White people mad at Sweden creating historical documentaries about their own country…

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Let's just say for arguments sake that it is true, that on the phenotype level they look closer to apes. That still doesn't make it true they are the least evolved, as you haven't looked at where evolution really happens, at the genome. Two individuals from the same race can be more genetically different from each other than from individuals of different races.

I never said they were less evolved. I am merely talking about physical appearance.

 

[Anewt]

There could be lighter skinned people AND darker skinned people living in Europe at the same time. Then they kept intermixing.

i agree. Take it up with the op that i disagree with

Why is this so hard to understand? That is not only possible, but likely.



Ok and? La Brana 1 had blue eyes and dark skin.

Blue eyes, dark skin: How European hunter-gatherer looked, 7,000-year-old genome shows

La Brana 1, the name used to baptize a 7,000-year-old individual from the Mesolithic Period whose remains were recovered at La Brana-Arintero site in Valdelugueros (Leon, Spain), had blue eyes and dark skin, new research reveals.

www.sciencedaily.com

hed be a descendant of the pale swedes ... by the dates. Once again.. op is the original hunter gatherers in sweden were black... there is zero proof of this. What are you Actually argueing?

People in Spain can migrate to Sweden over thousands of years.



Has it ever occurred to you those dark skinned, light eyed people found in Spain intermixed with lighter skinned humans?

Thats been my entire point........... and the evidence is the light skinned swedes were already there before 700 years before a darker skinned descendent of theirs was kicking around in spain.

How is this proof to you that early swedes were black? because thats what its being used as in the op.

All early homo sapiens that migrated to Eurasia and then Europe and Asia were dark skinned. Lighter skin only came about relatively recently. So Early Swedes and all Europeans had to have been darker skinned

why? I can understand it for europe as there is undeniable evidence.. But why for sweden?

Its just a assumption. And a decent one in fairness.

to say the first swedes had to have been dark skin isnt based on any evidence that exists. the earliest human remains are pale skin in sweden.

But considering the timeline. The fact that this guy found.... 7000 years ago was a descendant of pale blue eyes swedes... and theres another 700 years confirmed before that a minimum.

Seems plausible that theyd already been in europe for ages before remotely getting to sweden to me depending on population size. Not to mention climate etc.


As in being the first on the continent doesnt mean youre goimg to be first to every far flung corner of the continent. Expecially one where it seems mutations directly impacted adapting.

Maybe they didnt go so far north until the adaptions? Who knows. I dont lol.

Seems like you're bizarrely desperate to somehow prove all Europeans were always white or something. Which is obviously and patently false.

Nope. Not at all , just stating the actual facts.

Cheddar man is guesswork. And that this recent discovery in spain if closely related to swedes .. is a descendant of white hunter gatherer swedes hilariously .

Why would i give a fuck ? Lol. I just dislike the logic being used and people claiming they know 100% what most experts dont even claim


I

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

I never said they were less evolved. I am merely talking about physical appearance.

Well evolution was what was being discussed in the exchange that you replied to. So you just want to state that its a fact that Africans look more like apes than whites do?

 

[Hog-train]

hed be a descendant of the pale swedes ... by the dates. Once again.. op is the original hunter gatherers in sweden were black... there is zero proof of this. What are you Actually argueing?

Thats been my entire point........... and the evidence is the light skinned swedes were already there before 700 years before a darker skinned descendent of theirs was kicking around in spain.

But the original hunter gatherers in Sweden (and all of Europe) were dark skinned. Because the homo sapiens were in Europe for tens of thousands of years before the light skin adaptation even existed.

How is this proof to you that early swedes were black? because thats what its being used as in the op.

But they literally were LOL. Again, HOMO SAPIENS EXISTED IN EUROPE FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE LIGHT SKIN EVEN BECAME A THING.

why? I can understand it for europe as there is undeniable evidence.. But why for sweden?

Its just a assumption. And a decent one in fairness.

to say the first swedes had to have been dark skin isnt based on any evidence that exists. the earliest human remains are pale skin in sweden.

But considering the timeline. The fact that this guy found.... 7000 years ago was a descendant of pale blue eyes swedes... and theres another 700 years confirmed before that a minimum.

Seems plausible that theyd already been in europe for ages before remotely getting to sweden to me depending on population size. Not to mention climate etc.

Dude - not trying to insult you, but this is straight up retarded.

Humans were in Europe at least 45 thousand years ago, but probably much longer. The light skin adaptations were much more recent.

Now they found even older fossils that are like hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Earliest human fossils in the UK reveal how ancient European hominins were connected

Fossils discovered in Sussex were compared to human remains found in Spain from a similar time period to see if the populations are linked.

www.nhm.ac.uk

As in being the first on the continent doesnt mean youre goimg to be first to every far flung corner of the continent. Expecially one where it seems mutations directly impacted adapting.

Maybe they didnt go so far north until the adaptions? Who knows. I dont lol.

But we do know lol. It's simple math and dates. Human beings started getting lighter skin at a much later date than when they arrived in Europe.

You're trying to somehow make the claim that Europeans were always white? What they descended from Odin?

 

[Anewt]

But the original hunter gatherers in Sweden (and all of Europe) were dark skinned. Because the homo sapiens were in Europe for tens of thousands of years before the light skin adaptation even existed.

Dude... thats your assumption. Theres zero evidence in sweden of ten of thousands of years of human inhabition ... but sure thing

But they literally were LOL. Again, HOMO SAPIENS EXISTED IN EUROPE FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE LIGHT SKIN EVEN BECAME A THING.

No shit sherlock

Dude - not trying to insult you, but this is straight up retarded.

Humans were in Europe at least 45 thousand years ago, but probably much longer. The light skin adaptations were much more recent.

Europe is big.... sweden is tiny...

Now they found even older fossils that are like hundreds of thousands of years ago.

Earliest human fossils in the UK reveal how ancient European hominins were connected

Fossils discovered in Sussex were compared to human remains found in Spain from a similar time period to see if the populations are linked.

www.nhm.ac.uk

But we do know lol. It's simple math and dates. Human beings started getting lighter skin at a much later date than when they arrived in Europe.

No you dont know. Youve chosen the versions and science you like and decided yours is right and disregard the rest

and lol @ simple math . Im glad youve figured out the truth of our prehistory bud.. u should do lectures. Go Put those genetic professors in their place mate

You're trying to somehow make the claim that Europeans were always white? What they descended from Odin?

YOu get far to worked up. All my claims i say.

No i said they dont know how long humans were in europe befire getting to sweden.. is this really that difficult for you to understand ?

Because the very very very earliest human evidence is about 12000 years ago in sweden..

So you know. 100% with maths that the mutation for pale skin didnt occur in the time of years humans were in europe. Before spreading to sweden?

You're very impressive then mate. Hats off

 

[Anewt]

At the risk of saying something taboo, I think it is a fact that Black people have more ressemblance to apes than white people do. Is that not factual?

We had a mate we called monkey. He had chimp ears but it was a compliment the guy was a physical freak . Power to weight was absurd

( he was white tho )

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Well evolution was what was being discussed in the exchange that you replied to. So you just want to state that its a fact that Africans look more like apes than whites do?

Yes kind of, and ask why they can ressemble apes more physically without being less evolved than other humans who ressemble apes less.

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

Well, some of the modern day far left progressive white erasing/negating stuff I get... but the original man???? Why die on that hill when it has little resemblance to modern man?? If one believes man DID evolve from monkeys then it would make sense that they would have a darker color. Ultimately its silly to even worry about that stuff.

Actually they where lighter skinned and upon losing hair developed darker skin. It's why all races have white palms and feet.


And I agree who cares.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Dude... thats your assumption. Theres zero evidence in sweden of ten of thousands of years of human inhabition ... but sure thing


No shit sherlock


Europe is big.... sweden is tiny...


No you dont know. Youve chosen the versions and science you like and decided yours is right and disregard the rest

and lol @ simple math . Im glad youve figured out the truth of our prehistory bud.. u should do lectures. Go Put those genetic professors in their place mate


YOu get far to worked up. All my claims i say.

No i said they dont know how long humans were in europe befire getting to sweden.. is this really that difficult for you to understand ?

Because the very very very earliest human evidence is about 12000 years ago in sweden..

So you know. 100% with maths that the mutation for pale skin didnt occur in the time of years humans were in europe. Before spreading to sweden?

You're very impressive then mate. Hats off

I'm quizzing the shit out of chat gpt on this because I originally called bullshit but it seems to be legit.

I've got this timeline out of it at this stage.

Here’s a timeline summarizing how migration and environmental factors contributed to the development of lighter skin in Europe:


---

1. Before 12,000 Years Ago: Hunter-Gatherers

Appearance: Dark skin, dark hair, and sometimes blue eyes.

Lifestyle: Nomadic hunter-gatherers living across Europe, including the ancestors of early Swedes.

Environmental Influence: Dark skin provided protection against UV damage, which was less critical in northern Europe but retained from African ancestors.



---

2. Around 8,000–10,000 Years Ago: Near Eastern Farmers Migrate

Origin: Farmers from the Near East (modern-day Turkey, Levant, etc.) migrate to Europe.

Contribution: Introduce farming, tools, and new genes for lighter skin (SLC24A5 and SLC45A2).

Interaction: Intermix with indigenous hunter-gatherers, leading to gradual changes in skin tone.



---

3. Around 7,000–8,000 Years Ago: Evolutionary Adaptation

Environmental Pressure: Northern Europe’s low sunlight levels favor lighter skin to improve vitamin D synthesis.

Result: Lighter skin genes introduced by Near Eastern farmers begin to spread across Europe.



---

4. Around 4,500–5,000 Years Ago: Steppe Pastoralists Migrate

Origin: Yamnaya people from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe (modern Ukraine/Russia).

Contribution: Introduce more light-skin genes and lighter hair (blonde) and eye colors.

Significance: These migrants bring Indo-European languages and further diversify the genetic pool of northern Europeans.



---

5. Around 2,000–4,000 Years Ago: Consolidation of Traits

Appearance: Increased prevalence of light skin, hair, and eyes in Europe, particularly in northern regions.

Reason: Natural selection (for vitamin D synthesis) and possibly sexual selection (preference for lighter features).



---

6. Modern Era

Result: Modern Swedes and other northern Europeans inherit a mix of traits from:

Darker-skinned Mesolithic hunter-gatherers.

Lighter-skinned Neolithic farmers from the Near East.

Steppe pastoralists with blonde hair and light eyes.


Cultural Influence: Modern stereotypes of Scandinavians being blonde and light-skinned emerge, overlooking this complex history.



---

This timeline captures the gradual genetic and environmental changes that shaped the physica
l traits of modern Swedes. Let me know if you'd like this visualized further!