Which GOAT win was the best between these 2?

[Fioretti]

Why exactly theres a minimum of 22 by page 18? Go on and count them, tell me wich ones i missed and in what page. You think i counted likes and that i was going to deal with duplicate likes? You are batshit crazy. As I said, theres a post with 75 likes. If i were to count likes you'd lose even more.

Why do you keep avoiding the questions about guard passing? That's at least 4 times now.

There's a minimum of 22 who agree that finishes > decisions. You can count the 75 likes too, sure, but those people are already counted in your list for Fitch. This is your thread, your poll, your list. Do it right. Count the likes from each of those posts. We know, for a fact, that the count of 11 is off for Okami, as 22 people agreed with the first reply. So you take those 22 people as a start, then count from there through the 18 pages. Any repeats obviously don't get counted twice. You do the same for 75 likes for the other post. Just be real, girl.

Now address the hypocrisy of you saying guard passes without damage and finishes being shit for Okami, but somehow amazing GOAT shit for GSP. Or are you still going to avoid that because you, once again, wrote some dumb shit without knowing anything about MMA? Thanks, pumpkin.

 

[Fioretti]

Okami: 4 top 10 wins
Fitch: 1 top 10 win

Fitch was finished in 100% of his losses when he faced GSP.

Okami was finished in only 20% of his losses when he faced Silva.

Finishing Okami > decisioning Fitch

 

[mortal]

Haven't voted but count me in about finishes > decisions. It shouldn't even be up for debate really.

 

[ThunderStruck]

Despite a heavily biased OP and you embarrassing yourself with this post calling other GSP fanboys...



The poll is pretty even.
What a raping. Poor kid

Biased OP? Enlighten me.

And asking the peoples who ALREADY voted via posting (be it for Okami OR GSP) to vote again in the actual poll? Thats biased? You're a fucking moron.

 

[Oceanmachine]

Koscheck was a tough MoFo who climbed the ladder freaking two times. Just because he never won the title should not be held against him; he had to compete against the GOAT

Pre-USADA Alvers was dispatching fools left and right

Condit was the former WEC champion and was a legend, having finished almost all of his fights

Hughes was the P4P best fighter in the World at that point or behind Fedor

BJ Penn was a former WW champion and a living legend at that point

I give you Hardy (GSP should have smoke him) and Serra (biggest flop ever, which was corrected right after by GSP himself)

GSP's strenght of schedule is in its own tier, far better than anyone else (the only one who could come close is Jon Jones, but that's about it)

GSP should of broke Hardys arm but he was literally too nicr and decided not to. He could of and had the kimura

Koscheck II ALSO should of been stopped. They stoped Fedor vs Big Foot since Fedor was blind in 1 eye,

GSP blinded Kos in his eye and ir took months for Koscheck to heal

 

[pankrat]

Biased OP? Enlighten me.

And asking the peoples who ALREADY voted via posting (be it for Okami OR GSP) to vote again in the actual poll? Thats biased? You're a fucking moron.

OP is heavily biased as recognized by plenty of posters on here.
About the quoting I just know its pathetic

 

[ThunderStruck]

OP is heavily biased as recognized by plenty of posters on here.
About the quoting I just know its pathetic

Basically, you can't provide any explanation for your bold claims. A classic from you.

 

[josh345]

Tough choice. Silva’s win over Okami was his 10th title defense. Some history there. And he finished him quick. Fitch was a better fighter than okami and a pound for pounder but finishes matter and record breaking title defenses matter. Also Yushin okami was a great fighter and no slouch

 

[pankrat]

Basically, you can't provide any explanation for your bold claims. A classic from you.

More top rankd wins coming into the fight, how is that you dont even mention it?
Why if you know about the Joslin fight, you use the 16 number, tremendo de lerdo?
Pathetic, go play videogames

 

[pankrat]

Tough choice. Silva’s win over Okami was his 10th title defense. Some history there. And he finished him quick. Fitch was a better fighter than okami and a pound for pounder but finishes matter and record breaking title defenses matter. Also Yushin okami was a great fighter and no slouch

That Fitch was a better fighter is pretty debatable, but if he was, it's by a pretty subjective slight margin, especially at the point in time when they came into their tittle fight:

Fitch had a win over #5 Sanchez by SD and no other ranked win leading up to the GSP fight.
Okami came into his title fight with three ranked wins under his belt, apart from a highly controversial decision with Shields at WW (I doubt Yushin would've been less favoured by odds in an inmediate rematch than Fitch vs the same opponent) and an extremely close dec with another top5er in Franklin.
So Okami was more proven vs top competition than Fitch, by a considerable margin.

As a reference, odds for Okami vs Fitch even if both past their prime:
https://www.bestfightodds.com/events/wsof-24-fitch-vs-okami-998
Okami favourite

Indeed, finishing figths matters, more so in tittle fights, and I dont see there is evidence enough to claim that Fitch was a superior caliber of opponent than Okami back then to the point it justifies saying a dec > stoppage. If it was somehow a flukey finish or it came after a competitive fight maybe...but it wasn't the case, it was a masterclass followed by a finish

 

[ThunderStruck]

More top rankd wins coming into the fight, how is that you dont even metion it nerdboy?
Why if you know about the Joslin fight, you use the 16 number, hypocrite coward nerd?
Pathetic loser, go play videogames

HUH. I didn't even mention the HEAD to HEAD win that Fitch has over Okami. And i go by official record. So yeah Fitch was on a 16 fights win streak. And I didn't even talk about WW being twice as much stacked as MW. If we factor divisionnal depth then Fitch has just as many top ranked wins as Okami if not more and he has been much more dominant in victories leading up to the fight. Okami is the king of split decision wins.

Funny how you cling to those odds of Okami vs Fitch when FITCH fucking WON the fight. Whats more important exactly? You taking these odds as a personal win is beyond pathetic.

Im sick of arguing with you. You're just a broken record repeating the same shits over and over. And the fact that you feel the need to reply to EVERYONE who reply in Fitch's favor shows how insecure you are.

 

[pankrat]

HUH. I didn't even mention the HEAD to HEAD win that Fitch has over Okami. And i go by official record. So yeah Fitch was on a 16 fights win streak. And I didn't even talk about WW being twice as much stacked as MW. If we factor divisionnal depth then Fitch has just as many top ranked wins as Okami if not more and he has been much more dominant in victories leading up to the fight. Okami is the king of split decision wins.

Funny how you cling to those odds of Okami vs Fitch when FITCH fucking WON the fight. Whats more important exactly? You taking these odds as a personal win is beyond pathetic.

Im sick of arguing with you. You're just a broken record repeating the same shits over and over. And the fact that you feel the need to reply to EVERYONE who reply in Fitch's favor shows how insecure you are.

Dont get mad
Get educated about the context of the Fitch VS Okami fight given that you don't watch fights.
The fact Okami was favoured even though was in a hard decline and moving downs a weightclass is a testament that he was regarded as similar caliber of opponent.
Actually pretty lame that Fitch had to juice to beat a badly declined diminished Yushin and still didn't got the better of him until the last round when the juice got into play.

You keep clinging into the weak division narrative despite Okami beat superior fighters leading up to his tittle shot anyways so stop pretending.
Dude Erick Silva is a top5 win in Fitch's resume stop with the weak division narrative in this particular comparison, it's ridiculous.

 

[Gensoking]

It's not even debatable that Fitch was the better win but I think it's a more impressive win for Anderson. Fitch had nothing for GSP on paper unless you thought he would be the superior wrestler, while Anderson never had the best TDD. Okami at least had some method of potentially winning. Obviously, Anderson also got a finish. While you could debate all day on who faced the better opponents overall, Anderson's performances were almost always the more impressive, which is why I think he's #2 behind Jones

 

[pankrat]

It's not even debatable that Fitch was the better win but I think it's a more impressive win for Anderson. Fitch had nothing for GSP on paper unless you thought he would be the superior wrestler, while Anderson never had the best TDD. Okami at least had some method of potentially winning.

Watching Okami fighting top5ers Marquardt, Franklin and Shields it is certainly debatable that he was an inferior opponent than Fitch, especially at the point in time they fought for the tittle, when Fitch"s only ranked opponent at the time was Sanchez by UD.
And yeah, finishing > decision

Saying is "not even debatable" shows strong bias there.

BTW Silva was a terrible match up for Okami. Don't tell me the "Sonnen with sub defense" shertard narrative because they fought completely different. Okami relied on finding advantages at distance and in the clinch and he was going against a master of distances with the longest reach in the division and a clinch specialist with very underrated TDD from there at that point in his career

 

[josh345]

That Fitch was a better fighter is pretty debatable, but if he was, it's by a pretty subjective slight margin, especially at the point in time when they came into their tittle fight:

Fitch had a win over #5 Sanchez by SD and no other ranked win leading up to the GSP fight.
Okami came into his title fight with three ranked wins under his belt, apart from a highly controversial decision with Shields at WW (I doubt Yushin would've been less favoured by odds in an inmediate rematch than Fitch vs the same opponent) and an extremely close dec with another top5er in Franklin.
So Okami was more proven vs top competition than Fitch, by a considerable margin.

As a reference, odds for Okami vs Fitch even if both past their prime:
https://www.bestfightodds.com/events/wsof-24-fitch-vs-okami-998
Okami favourite

Indeed, finishing figths matters, more so in tittle fights, and I dont see there is evidence enough to claim that Fitch was a superior caliber of opponent than Okami back then to the point it justifies saying a dec > stoppage. If it was somehow a flukey finish or it came after a competitive fight maybe...but it wasn't the case, it was a masterclass followed by a finish

Good post!

 

[benebox]

Decisions is basically a stalemate in comparison to a finish, however when considering quality of opponent and it being a one sided beatdown I think objectively you have to side with GSP.

 

[MDoza]

Okami was more of a threat to Silva, than Fitch was to GSP.

 

[HaulParris]

GSP over Fitch was more meaningful. I'm happy Silva avenged his loss from Rumble On The Rock tourney, but Okami did not want to be there, and got the shot based on an awful snoozefest with Marquardt.

 

[Gensoking]

Watching Okami fighting top5ers Marquardt, Franklin and Shields it is certainly debatable that he was an inferior opponent than Fitch, especially at the point in time they fought for the tittle, when Fitch"s only ranked opponent at the time was Sanchez by UD.
And yeah, finishing > decision

Saying is "not even debatable" shows strong bias there.

BTW Silva was a terrible match up for Okami. Don't tell me the "Sonnen with sub defense" shertard narrative because they fought completely different. Okami relied on finding advantages at distance and in the clinch and he was going against a master of distances with the longest reach in the division and a clinch specialist with very underrated TDD from there at that point in his career

Cmon, Fitch was considered a top WW for a very long time and would've gone 20 fights undefeated if he didn't fight GSP. Okami was essentially the lesser Chael Sonnen, let gatekeeper Boetsch come back against him, and even lost to Fitch later on. I certainly didn't think Okami was a good match against Anderson, but he was at least a wrestler which, only 2 fights after Anderson vs Chael 1, was definitely going to be seen as an avenue of victory

 

[Mamou]

Cmon, Fitch was considered a top WW for a very long time and would've gone 20 fights undefeated if he didn't fight GSP. Okami was essentially the lesser Chael Sonnen, let gatekeeper Boetsch come back against him, and even lost to Fitch later on. I certainly didn't think Okami was a good match against Anderson, but he was at least a wrestler which, only 2 fights after Anderson vs Chael 1, was definitely going to be seen as an avenue of victory

He would've fought like 2 ranked fighters in that streak, 1 fresh off brain surgery. Jon Fitch is one of the most overrated fighters in UFC history