Which are the arguments to put Miocic under Fedor in HW history?

jeff7b9 said:
Fedor won the most prestigious Hw title in MMA and then won 18 straight with the biggest target in the sport firmly on his back.
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Total bull. He won and dominated in prime. Target on his back ? The true next wave of elite HWs were in the UFC, they couldn't fight each other. Fedor didn't win in the strikeforce HW division. I mean Strikeforce had a HW division as good as the UFC. Fedor went 0-3 and struggled vs Brett Rogers.

He is the king of the first generation of HWs.
 
Fedor fought in a Japanese mafia promotion that fixed fights.
 
I put Stipe under Fedor because I can understand Fedor's non-existent English more than whatever the hell guttural marble mouthed noises Stipe produces.
 
DanDragon Machi said:
Fedor x Rogers was not a fight title

Accounts WAMMA as an relevant title is laughable. I'm talking about elite events



Recover the title is a bigger feat than defense continuous, I can't understand you logic here



So JDS was old at 33 yr when he was KOed by Miocic but Miocic was at his prime when her lost by Nganou at 38? lol

None of these organizations are harder to dominate than UFC of the modern ERA
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JDS had his head beat in for close to an hour by Cain, these 2 fights completely ruined him, beat the prime from his body. Yet he still beat Stipe. By the 2nd fight he was completely shop worn
 
Big Tuppy Hole said:
JDS had his head beat in for close to an hour by Cain, these 2 fights completely ruined him, beat the prime from his body. Yet he still beat Stipe. By the 2nd fight he was completely shop worn
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JDS performed well vs Stipe. Your theory is easily disputed by footage. Watch the fight. The first JDS Cain fight was a solid beatdown, nothing unusual. No major damage. Before the 2 and 3rd Cain fight nobody hurt JDS in the UFC. It's blown out of proportion. JDS was out of his very prime but Stipe not fully inside his. They all have their best days. JDS took a lot of damage but he still was a l
 
BFoe said:
Oh fine, I’ll play.

Fedor has 7 title fight wins, and that’s not including winning RINGS or PRIDE GP titles (the 7 being Nog x 2, Mirko, Hunt, Sylvia, Arlovski, and Rogers).

Fedor has more ranked wins than Stipe (11-8).

Fedor has more title defenses in one continuous unbeaten streak than Stipe dos in 2 reigns (5-4).

The opponents in the OP seem a bit cherry picked. Like, Ngannou is listed for Stipe but he also got starched by Ngannou. Old JDS is listed for Stipe but he actually lost to a closer-to-prime JDS.

Fedor was dominant under more orgs and more rulesets, including ruleset with a 10 minute first round, where soccer kicks and knees to grounded opponents were legal, he was undefeated far longer, and was far more active than Stipe.

Fedor > Stipe in every significant metric.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
(Literally I guess, since Fyodor means Theodore lol).
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You wrote a book for a dumb ass that probably won't understand any of this. They didn't deserve it.
 
Trabaho said:
JDS performed well vs Stipe. Your theory is easily disputed by footage. Watch the fight. The first JDS Cain fight was a solid beatdown, nothing unusual. No major damage. Before the 2 and 3rd Cain fight nobody hurt JDS in the UFC. It's blown out of proportion. JDS was out of his very prime but Stipe not fully inside his. They all have their best days. JDS took a lot of damage but he still was a l
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No major damage? Come on
 
DanDragon Machi said:
Miocic has way better resume:
DC > Nog
Ngannou > Mirko
Werdum > Coleman
Overeen> Randleman
JDS > Brett Rogers

Title fight wins:
Miocic - 6
Fedor - 4

In global relevance UFC > Pride

In the imagination of nostalgic fans Fedor is undeniably greater than Miocic due to his "aura" - a totally subjective and not very objective factor
Yes, he was a more iconic fighter, but only because there were no fighters on his level
I don't think that the time of undefeated (beating one-dimensional Japanese fighters 90% of the time) should be such a decisive factor
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Fedor has more title defences.. a longer undefeated streak and a longer reign than any other Hw...

I don't see how you can think otherwise..
 
DanDragon Machi said:
Miocic has way better resume:
DC > Nog
Ngannou > Mirko
Werdum > Coleman
Overeen> Randleman
JDS > Brett Rogers

Title fight wins:
Miocic - 6
Fedor - 4

In global relevance UFC > Pride

In the imagination of nostalgic fans Fedor is undeniably greater than Miocic due to his "aura" - a totally subjective and not very objective factor
Yes, he was a more iconic fighter, but only because there were no fighters on his level
I don't think that the time of undefeated (beating one-dimensional Japanese fighters 90% of the time) should be such a decisive factor
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I like how you ignore the 3 UFC champs Fedor murked. Tim, AA, Mir were the 3 long standing top UFC guys during Fedors era and he destroyed all of them.

Here is why Fedor is a step above

Went 33 fights with no legitimate losses
Did it in the span of 10 years
Did while facing double digit top 10 opponents
Did it while facing double digit legends WHILE in their prime
Beat the best fighters across the TWO top orgs
Did it all while being the smaller opponent every time
Did it while fight kill or be killed

After 14 years, Stipe still needs 8 fights in order to match the number of fights Fedor had before he lost. Even if he did his record would still be riddled with loses

This is the reality of the resumes without going into full detail. Just looking at best wins

Stipes Resume
Werdum is the best win. Absolute solid win.
DC wins are ok but DC was old and small
Reem was not at his peak but still decent
He lost to JDS in his prime and only won when JDS was out of prime
He beat Ngannou when Ngannou was very 1 dimensional

Fedors resume
Beat Nog who was considered head and shoulders above the rest.
Crocop was a far better striker with better tdd than Francis. Fedor beat him in a ring where cro cop is at his best
Tim was 1 fight removed from a UFC title fight (the fight was v Nog)
AA was at his Absolute peak. He was on a sick run which included beating Werdum, Nelson, Rothwell.
Coleman & Randleman were both still good. These are equivalent to Stipes win over Econoreem. (Basically decent wins over good but aging fighters)
 
None.

He's just under Fedor.

No reason to bother with why, everyone fucking knows Fedor is the benchmark for HW MMA and no one even fuckin comes close.
 
Domitian said:
Fedor fought in a Japanese mafia promotion that fixed fights.
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That makes him even more awesome. Especially the part where he beat Mirko who they clearly wanted to win.
 
HHJ said:
None.

He's just under Fedor.

No reason to bother with why, everyone fucking knows Fedor is the benchmark for HW MMA and no one even fuckin comes close.
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and with that reply , mods should close this shitcunt thread
 
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HHJ said:
That makes him even more awesome. Especially the part where he beat Mirko who they clearly wanted to win.
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I'll be honest. When I first started watching MMA, I watched all of Fedor's fights. I started following his career. I became a fan and was telling all of my friends I watched mma with that he was the best HW. He would beat Brock. Then 2010 and 2011 happened and I'm just still salty as fuck over it.

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Domitian said:
I'll be honest. When I first started watching MMA, I watched all of Fedor's fights. I started following his career. I became a fan and was telling all of my friends I watched mma with that he was the best HW. He would beat Brock. Then 2010 and 2011 happened and I'm just still salty as fuck over it.

<{Joewithit}><36>
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He would beat Brock.
 
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