Where do you place nick diaz overall

[mortal]

Are you implying GSP doesnt hit hard generllyspeaking, or only in Diaz fight in particular?

I'm not implying anything. I am clearly saying that Nick has faced way stronger punchers than GSP.

 

[Rod Farva]

He had a good career but he isn’t an all time great. He had exciting fights. He was popular. He wasn’t an all time great though

 

[pankrat]

I'm not implying anything.

So you acknowledge GSP hits hard, right? And in particular kicked Nick's legs hard, jabbed his head back, and those elbows fuck they hurt. Were Diaz few well-contected punches harder than those?

I'm not implying anything. I am clearly saying that Nick has faced way stronger punchers than GSP.

Does anybody argues that? Like Semtex or Lawler arent among hardest hitters ever at WW?

 

[mortal]

So you acknowledge GSP hits hard, right? And in particular kicked Nick's legs hard, jabbed his head back, and those elbows fuck they hurt. Were Diaz few well-contected punches harder than those?



Does anybody argues that? Like Semtex or Lawler arent among hardest hitters ever at WW?

Not hard. I'd say "well enough".
Ask Nick's opponents about how hard he hits. GSP sure didn't want a war, did he?

If you don't argue that then you already know what Nick can withstand and yet you seem that you wanna make the same argument that he was getting hurt by GSP.

 

[El General]

He's sort of a cult favorite to me. He's very loved by certain hardcore fans. But in terms of what he has actually accomplished? Big wins vs Robbie and Gomi. Super tough and durable, fun to watch. Doesn't fight enough though.

 

[pankrat]

Not hard. I'd say "well enough".

Never heard of that concept.

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Ask Nick's opponents about how hard he hits. GSP sure didn't want a war, did he?

surely GSP didnt want to trade hands with Diaz in the pocket not let him stalking and set up his combinations.
So what? What you imply with that? English is not my first language but u know what imply means?

Nick Diaz punches arent that hard when he can't set up the field to trade punches instead of 1/2 strikes and break, if he is forced to that he is not a guy with great outburst nor naturally heavy hands.
His punches didnt look that hard when they connected in GSP as he wasnt able to manage the striking range, partly due to the underrated standup of GSP as much as his TD thread

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If you don't argue that then you already know what Nick can withstand and yet you seem that you wanna make the same argument that he was getting hurt by GSP.

No idea what you are talking here

 

[mortal]

Never heard of that concept.



surely GSP didnt want to trade hands with Diaz in the pocket not let him stalking and set up his combinations.
So what? What you imply with that? English is not my first language but u know what imply means?

Nick Diaz punches arent that hard when he can't set up the field to trade punches instead of 1/2 strikes and break, if he is forced to that he is not a guy with great outburst nor naturally heavy hands.
His punches didnt look that hard when they connected in GSP as he wasnt able to manage the striking range, partly due to the underrated standup of GSP as much as his TD thread




No idea what you are talking here

I know what imply means. Why you ask?
"So what?" If GSP was hurting him like you claim, Nick would be in trouble and GSP would get bolder (let's not forget how thirsty his fans were for a finish). Finishing Nick would be the world for them and GSP apologised in the past for the way he was fighting.

And several people didn't see what dropped Daley. Looks can be deceiving.

What I'm saying is: If he can face and beat harder punchers, what makes you think he had problem with GSP's punches?

 

[pankrat]

I know what imply means. Why you ask?
"So what?" If GSP was hurting him like you claim, Nick would be in trouble and GSP would get bolder (let's not forget how thirsty his fans were for a finish). Finishing Nick would be the world for them and GSP apologised in the past for the way he was fighting.

And several people didn't see what dropped Daley. Looks can be deceiving.

What I'm saying is: If he can face and beat harder punchers, what makes you think he had problem with GSP's punches?

This is not boxing but anyways
What do you mean by problems? Like life threatening problems, not, but enough to hurt him and hence force him to move constantly, there were not that much offense output by Diaz in that fight

 

[mortal]

This is not boxing but anyways
What do you mean by problems? Like life threatening problems, not, but enough to hurt him and hence force him to move constantly, there were not that much offense output by Diaz in that fight

I think I'm done wasting my time.

 

[Jopo]

nick diaz got absolutely destroyed by georges that night. It was a pathetic performance but that honestly shows the level of nick more than georges. Nick is a great personality and has ground skills and awkward boxing, but he is literally an average fighter. These are the guys georges was supposed to destroy instead he made dan hardy look like helio Gracie escaping a 4 round arm bar and made thiago alves look like something way better than the .500 fighter he is, also made matt serra look like fedor by getting ko'd and gound and pounded like big nog but unlike big nog he didnt stay awake and try to mitigate the assault he eneded it before fading into the abyss by tapping to strikes from a journeyman lw hobbit whilst in his prime.

"ABSOLUTELY DESTOYED".

honestly is that serious your opinion. absolutely destroyed? Nick vs GSP fight? someone was brutalized? like beat up beyond belief. destroyed? like did he even have to go to the hospital after all the brutality?

or was it closer to he lost a contest and a point contest pretty bad.

 

[Jopo]

Nick wishes he could have 11 decisions in a row.

Remind me what Nick did in that fight except get punched in the face

Think so. think Nick would be satisfied with himself if he only got decisions? holding a guy down for 25 minutes. having just a jab and a superman punch no boxing and no jiujitsu? think he would be cool just taking decisions do ya. wow interesting take.

...he'd be fucking depressed and furious with himself.

 

[Jopo]

Actually, you wish he did. Point scoring wasn't his thing and you know it.

He made GSP's face bleed and wasn't really threatened. GSP did just enough to win the match as well.

ya keyword "match". Yeah, gsp "won". ya got it congrats.

for a gsp fans you were happy. that was a good night for you? you were like hell yeah and cheered probably never during the fight but after the decision?

Some people ... do you even like martial arts or do you like guys who can assemble a win streak even if they are 7 foot taller than each opponent or something so you can identify with victory or some weird shit. Like jon jones shit.

 

[TripTictonic]

I’d say top 15ish. I might have said top 10 5 years ago.

 

[jeff7b9]

Place him wherever you want...

but don’t put your mug on him.

nick ain’t down with that shit.

 

[pankrat]

I think I'm done wasting my time.

Not much is lost
I mean read you:

He made GSP's face bleed and wasn't really threatened. GSP did just enough to win the match as well.

People bleed in soccer often how much of a retarded argument is that.

Not hard. I'd say "well enough".

lol tremendo

 

[Perrichet]

Trying to control GSP's left wrist.

So, those punches are threatening? Then how about Nick's gogo attempts then?

Trying to hurt and, if possible, finish your opponent is more.

"Under what rules does Nick when that fight?" I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Embarassing is overestimating GSP's punches. You believe in them way more than he did.

Trying to control his wrists so he doesn’t get punched in the head/face. Turtling up is a passive position. Nick did this several times.

I’m not saying those punches are threatening. I’m simply stating that whatever GSP did in that fight was more threatening than what Nick did. Based on Nick getting punched in the face a lot more, getting knees to the body and playing turtle this is the case. So your claim is really stupid.

Regarding the rules, it’s another bizarre statement by you. You said something about gaming the rules for “cheesy” wins? Were you implying that’s what GSP did in their fight? If so what I said makes complete sense.

You are overestimating Nick Diaz period

 

[Perrichet]

Think so. think Nick would be satisfied with himself if he only got decisions? holding a guy down for 25 minutes. having just a jab and a superman punch no boxing and no jiujitsu? think he would be cool just taking decisions do ya. wow interesting take.

...he'd be fucking depressed and furious with himself.

Nick should be furious with himself that his best win in his whole career is probably a washed up BJ Penn or Robbie Lawler from 1968.

Where in the fight did Nick get held down for 25 minutes? That’s an interesting take

Having no boxing or jiujitsu? Do you know what you are even watching?

 

[Jopo]

Nick should be furious with himself that his best win in his whole career is probably a washed up BJ Penn or Robbie Lawler from 1968.

Where in the fight did Nick get held down for 25 minutes? That’s an interesting take

Having no boxing or jiujitsu? Do you know what you are even watching?

His best win was probably Gomi rankings wise. I can't remember everything and don't care enough to look it up but Gomi was way up there maybe even on the top 10 pound for pound. At the fight announcement time I thought i'm really happy my 2 favorites are fighting but I felt bad Nick was about to hit a brick wall in his career and get knocked out.

no I have no idea ever what i'm watching. just a blue belt in bjj that has seen 1000+ fights. Sorry if my resume isn't massive and I haven't coached a gym of pros but that's all I got. I can see damage inflicted, improving position, submission attempts, and know when a guy can't box.

no gsp has no boxing. if he has jiujitsu he never showed any ambition with it in mma. he's a play it safe guy. If that's your favorite type of guy I mean whatever. says something about your personality. If everyone was like GSP the sport wouldn't even be worth watching. Every fight a decision.

i'll give him credit vs Bisping like most won't I'll give you that. While I didn't know who'd win cause gsp had been out a while I didn't expect a complete domination and finish.

 

[mortal]

ya keyword "match". Yeah, gsp "won". ya got it congrats.

for a gsp fans you were happy. that was a good night for you? you were like hell yeah and cheered probably never during the fight but after the decision?

Some people ... do you even like martial arts or do you like guys who can assemble a win streak even if they are 7 foot taller than each opponent or something so you can identify with victory or some weird shit. Like jon jones shit.

You got the wrong person. x)

Not much is lost
I mean read you:



People bleed in soccer often how much of a retarded argument is that.



lol tremendo

Good thing your opinion doesn't matter. You made a good job devaluating it. Now buzz off.

Trying to control his wrists so he doesn’t get punched in the head/face. Turtling up is a passive position. Nick did this several times.

I’m not saying those punches are threatening. I’m simply stating that whatever GSP did in that fight was more threatening than what Nick did. Based on Nick getting punched in the face a lot more, getting knees to the body and playing turtle this is the case. So your claim is really stupid.

Regarding the rules, it’s another bizarre statement by you. You said something about gaming the rules for “cheesy” wins? Were you implying that’s what GSP did in their fight? If so what I said makes complete sense.

You are overestimating Nick Diaz period

He's not after the punching hand, he's trying to gain control of the holding hand. Probably for a position advance or for a sub attempt.
In general you're right about turtling. In context it's different though: Diaz does that in several fights to bait the opponent to grapple and reverse the grappling attack, putting himself on top of his opponent.
A week ago or so someone posted the Diaz vs Tibau fight and he does there what I just described.

You really believe GSP's strikes had a chance to even stun him? What exactly was the threat besides going ahead on the scorecards?
Nick's sub attempts were far more threatening because, if successful, they would end the fight right there and then. I would also make an argument about punching but I don't think you'll be willing to consider that (despite Nick's resume striking-wise).

I don't imply it, I'm saying it. That's what he did in most of his fights. Everybody knows that.
Anyway, I didn't understand the way you formed your sentence. I should've ask you to rephrase it so, my bad as well.

 

[Jopo]

Trying to control his wrists so he doesn’t get punched in the head/face. Turtling up is a passive position. Nick did this several times.

I’m not saying those punches are threatening. I’m simply stating that whatever GSP did in that fight was more threatening than what Nick did. Based on Nick getting punched in the face a lot more, getting knees to the body and playing turtle this is the case. So your claim is really stupid.

Regarding the rules, it’s another bizarre statement by you. You said something about gaming the rules for “cheesy” wins? Were you implying that’s what GSP did in their fight? If so what I said makes complete sense.

You are overestimating Nick Diaz period

Yes... youre right... GSP obviously "won". i was already on board.

yeah he kneed him once to the body. couple superman punches. ate one right hand ...neat.