When people trash Jon Jones

[moogie101]

How much of that skill came from him being a cheating prick? We will never know how much was natural skill and how much was drugs.

But the ability to train harder and to perform at a certain level all came from his repeated ped use.

And the repeated fails puts into question everything he has done in mma

 

[drbolony]

No one's trying to change your mind dips shit.



It's obvious that when the man isnt disqualified, he's the best Mixed Martial Artist to walk the earth, ever.

Spoiler

for now

 

[nostradumbass]

Getting trashed and slamming your car into a pregnant lady and grabbing money before running away is now a "misfortune"?

There have been plenty of threads about his eye poking and how his boxing isn't very good, but they kind of get overshadowed when the guy gets busted for PEDs multiple times and gets wasted and wrecks his car a bunch of times.

 

[Alpha_T83]

Jones limbs are invulnerable as seen with his arm against a roided vitor

These points are why Jon Jones gets trashed. PEDs really do improve every facet of a fighters performance: your strength, your speed, and your stamina.

Would a clean Jon Jones that never took PEDs survive that Vitor armbar?? I doubt it.

 

[BKB92]

Jones wouldn't be a top 5 fighter without his supplements.

 

[Thai Domi]

They always talk about his PED use and misfortunes outside of the cage.

They never trash his actual fighting skill

His ped use enhances his fighting abilities, so he's a cheat.

Fedor is GOAT.

 

[snackgod]

They always talk about his PED use and misfortunes outside of the cage.

They never trash his actual fighting skill....

because they know, they know he''s the most skilled fighter they've ever seen.


Jones bless.

Change my mind

cant ever know how skilled he was since I wont believe he ever was a clean fighter. so the only time he try peds are before ufc 200 give me a break.

 

[snackgod]

What in the world is there not to understand?

Fighting = strength, technique, stamina, power, durability.

PEDs literally aid every single one of those aside from technique.

How can you not improve while taking PEDs?

and help with recovery from workouts.

 

[SickLikeAidz]

Jones keep fucking fighters up & peeps get mad. You gotta deal with it.

 

[Airdack]

They always talk about his PED use and misfortunes outside of the cage.

They never trash his actual fighting skill....

because they know, they know he''s the most skilled fighter they've ever seen.


Jones bless.

Change my mind

Dude got his arm broken by a fucking mw. Vitor, who doesnt make excuses, said he let off on the armbar when he felt it break. Then he almost lost to fucking chael. Gus put him in the hospital. He never even fought his biggest threat in rumble cause he was too busy hitting pregnant chicks with a rental. Hes a bum

 

[TheComputerGuy]

There'd be no one left on here - mods included

The trolls have pushed away all the legit people.

 

[JC ATOM]

problem is i could even agree...
i do dislike jones (always did even before he was champ) yet i always thought he was (one of) the best i've ever seen.
Could still be true but the roids fucked up that for me....now i'll never know

 

[SeattleFightFan]

post #6 was a good answer, but TS didn't like it. so i'm going to try a slightly different angle.
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let's say there was one best poker player in the world over the course of a decade. and in his 9th year of playing poker, he was caught cheating. various techniques indicate he had been cheating all along, but it couldn't really be proven.

this poker player also had a few DUI's and got caught with hookers and blow a few times, which makes him perfect forum fodder, but that's beside the point.

now, all evidence suggests that without this cheating technique, he's probably one of the best poker players in the world. but with the cheating technique he is definitely the best.

so what do you - a poker fan - do with this information?

we know what the F brother's grandpa would have done - dug a hole in the desert.

but what do you do? do you just ignore the cheating and say "so what, there's no proof he cheated before then (only strong indication)"? or do you sigh a big sigh and think "well shit, he might have been the best ever, but we'll never fucking know, because he ruined our chance to find out"?

apparently TS does the former. it makes no sense, but he apparently he does.

PS some people say "so what, all poker players cheat - most have just never been caught".

 

[DorianGray]

If this is true why don't bodybuilders sweep the sport

Talent>PEDs

this compares individuals to other individuals. Saying "PEDs make you better" is comparing an individual to themself.

 

[in the liver]

They always talk about his PED use and misfortunes outside of the cage.

They never trash his actual fighting skill....

because they know, they know he''s the most skilled fighter they've ever seen.


Jones bless.

Change my mind

yeah they trash how he has to eyepoke and take steroids in every fight to win

says a lot about his fighting, ie, he's a cheat

 

[Ares Black]

They always talk about his PED use and misfortunes outside of the cage.

They never trash his actual fighting skill....

because they know, they know he''s the most skilled fighter they've ever seen.


Jones bless.

Change my mind

Not the most skilled. Mighty Mouse is more skilled, GSP is more skilled.

He IS very skilled, and very talented as well, but his history of cheating makes it impossible to tell how good he really is.

 

[20falarVerdades]

Well, it's clear you don't care about PEDs....but I will give it a worthless shot.

PEDs are banned for a reason. They enhance your performance. Whether that be power, strength, speed, stamina, durability, etc. they are banned for a reason. Jones is probably the GOAT because he is very skilled, but this was aided due to PEDs. Therefore, he is disqualified from GOAT status by many because we truly don't know if he was ever clean since he failed twice.

Barry Bonds was a HOFer without steroids. Go take a look at his numbers. However, once he started juicing, his numbers increased. Therefore, he became better. It's that simple.

A fighter's performance is not assessed by numbers, unlike weightlifting, track and field etc. PEDs play a bigger role in these sports

 

[chinarice]

Once again resorting to roids, and comparing FIGHTING to hitting a ball which is almost all pure strength



Next

Hitting a ball is almost all technique and hitting it far has little to do with strength.

You've clearly never played ball, to make this comment. It's wrong.

 

[Chagaev]

I don't care about Jones juicing.

If he makes a run at HW, he'll be GOAT for me.

Until then, he's a skilled guy who cuts weight for easier fights. PFP, maybe.

He injured himself just from training with Overeem and Mir put him on his back fooling around in a bar, I can't tell how the guy would perform against the big boys.

 

[Deleted member 506663]

Well, it's clear you don't care about PEDs....but I will give it a worthless shot.

PEDs are banned for a reason. They enhance your performance. Whether that be power, strength, speed, stamina, durability, etc. they are banned for a reason. Jones is probably the GOAT because he is very skilled, but this was aided due to PEDs. Therefore, he is disqualified from GOAT status by many because we truly don't know if he was ever clean since he failed twice.

Barry Bonds was a HOFer without steroids. Go take a look at his numbers. However, once he started juicing, his numbers increased. Therefore, he became better. It's that simple.

Capt Bro-science, lulz