International When Grifters Wilfully Misunderstand Basic Censorship: Musk Edition

KaNesDeath said:
You are presenting false association. User generated content is different then the application/website itself generating the content.
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He's not even arguing about content being generated. He's trying to argue that a conversation is the same as someone making an AI image just because there are children involved in both.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Why isn't Elon's line on this just "child porn or making fake ai porn of real people is disgusting and we will do everything we can to avoid it happening on our platform" rather than just blabbering about censorship?
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because censorship is the real issue. CP, which is obviously horrible, is what the UK is latching onto as their excuse to further control info.
This is the same UK that turned a blind eye to the likes of Saville and the grooming gangs. So if you think for a minute they actually care about stopping AI from creating CP, you are sadly mistaken .
 
jimjamjammer said:
because censorship is the real issue. CP, which is obviously horrible, is what the UK is latching onto as their excuse to further control info.
This is the same UK that turned a blind eye to the likes of Saville and the grooming gangs. So if you think for a minute they actually care about stopping AI from creating CP, you are sadly mistaken .
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But everyone can agree that child porn and deep fake porn of real people should be censored. If you say that's the issue with censorship then you make censorship look legitimate. You need to pick your battles and defending people's rights to make AI child porn isn't a battle worth fighting.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
But everyone can agree that child porn and deep fake porn of real people should be censored.
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Definitely CP as it is a crime, but I remember in the Taylor Swift AI Sexy Time thread a whole bunch of people on both sides of the aisle arguing that it was protected, which, if you consider how long people have been manipulating photos with Photoshop, makes some sense. Manipulating photos available in the public domain has been going on since computers were capable of doing so. Is it to only be illegal if they're sexual in nature, or appear more authentic than a typical fake?

This AI thing is not gonna be settled anytime soon, nor do I think any struct laws will be brought upon them, since it opens up a whole can of worms.
 
HereticBD said:
Definitely CP as it is a crime, but I remember in the Taylor Swift AI Sexy Time thread a whole bunch of people on both sides of the aisle arguing that it was protected, which, if you consider how long people have been manipulating photos with Photoshop, makes some sense. Manipulating photos available in the public domain has been going on since computers were capable of doing so. Is it to only be illegal if they're sexual in nature, or appear more authentic than a typical fake?

This AI thing is not gonna be settled anytime soon, nor do I think any struct laws will be brought upon them, since it opens up a whole can of worms.
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It should be censored. Imagine someone making porn images of your mother.

Edit - Maybe don't imagine that but imagine your reaction lol.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
It should be censored. Imagine someone making porn images of your mother.
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Oh', I've got my opinions and concerns over this tech and they mostly line up with yours, but it's also hard to argue with the legal reasoning for it being allowed and how it would be hard to even begin to draw where the line is.

Let's just say I'm glad I'm not a woman with a million photos online in this day and age.
 
HereticBD said:
Oh', I've got my opinions and concerns over this tech and they mostly line up with yours, but it's also hard to argue with the legal reasoning for it being allowed and how it would be hard to even begin to draw where the line is.

Let's just say I'm glad I'm not a woman with a million photos online in this day and age.
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Fair enough. I didn't think we could be too far apart on the issue. I just don't agree with Elon's hand waving over it all and it just seems to me that he could take a far more sensible stance over it and pick his censorship battles over something where the censorship is actually harmful.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Fair enough. I didn't think we could be too far apart on the issue. I just don't agree with Elon's hand waving over it all and it just seems to me that he could take a far more sensible stance over it and pick his censorship battles over something where the censorship is actually harmful.
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To be fair, though, you do see the political angle to it as well? X is not the only platform out there that allows "questionable" material. I get that it's the platform's AI doing it, but shutting it down won't stop the actual pictures from being made and posted from other sources. Are they equally enraged when a non-Grok AI makes naughty photos of them? Are they only mad because it's personally hit them, and not some random girl they couldn't give two shits about? Are they only complaining because it's X, and not the myriad of websites out there dedicated to making/posting deep fakes?

I don't think it's too much to ask to tweak the AI so it can't produce sexual images of children, but the rest? I don't know. Musk also knows that if he bends on this, it won't be the end of it. There will be questions of other things that are allowed on the platform as well.

Anyways, don't expect much to happen. Pornhub got busted way back for hosting thousands and thousands of CP and legit abuse videos, and all they had to do was delete them. It's still the #1 porn site in the world.
 
HereticBD said:
To be fair, though, you do see the political angle to it as well? X is not the only platform out there that allows "questionable" material. I get that it's the platform's AI doing it, but shutting it down won't stop the actual pictures from being made and posted from other sources. Are they equally enraged when a non-Grok AI makes naughty photos of them? Are they only mad because it's personally hit them, and not some random girl they couldn't give two shits about? Are they only complaining because it's X, and not the myriad of websites out there dedicated to making/posting deep fakes?

I don't think it's too much to ask to tweak the AI so it can't produce sexual images of children, but the rest? I don't know. Musk also knows that if he bends on this, it won't be the end of it. There will be questions of other things that are allowed on the platform as well.

Anyways, don't expect much to happen. Pornhub got busted way back for hosting thousands and thousands of CP and legit abuse videos, and all they had to do was delete them. It's still the #1 porn site in the world.
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I think in order to take a stance on censorship you have to be realistic about where you draw the line. Obviously everyone would agree there should be some censorship because nobody thinks that we should be able to put porn posters up in public libraries for example and for me it's about drawing a sensible line.

When it comes specifically to Starmer, if you say that your platform won't censor things like deepfake porn which there's a very strong argument is harmful then it makes it quite easy for the government to demonise Musk and have a very easy line to take to show people why they're against him.

There are arguments of censorship I would actually like them to hold ground on, but if you end up getting the whole platform blocked because you're not willing to censor things that I would think all but a few edgelords would agree should be censored, then you end up doing free speech discourse more harm than good.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
When it comes specifically to Starmer, if you say that your platform won't censor things like deepfake porn which there's a very strong argument is harmful then it makes it quite easy for the government to demonise Musk and have a very easy line to take to show people why they're against him.
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It only makes sense if it's consistent. If there is something on the books about it in that country, then fine. We see that all the time in less "free" countries. They can't just pick and choose though. That's when it obviously becomes political in nature, and they need to be careful to not wind up in a lawsuit themselves.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
He's not even arguing about content being generated.
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Thats the foundation of his point. For he doesnt understand how legally the liability is applied between social media platforms and its users.

Why he quickly changed the topic by pivoting to Snapchat user usage. Snapchat in that circumstance would only be liable if they werent actively moderating against such activity.
 

US teachers union says it is leaving X over sexualized AI images of children​

By Raphael Satter

WASHINGTON, Jan 13 (Reuters) - The American Federation of Teachers says it is leaving X, citing the social media site's creation and dissemination of "sickening" images of children in various states of undress.

In an interview with Reuters, AFT President Randi Weingarten said that the site had already been degraded by extremists and trolls since Elon Musk's 2022 takeover, before which the platform was known as Twitter. But the recent proliferation of nonconsensual images of women and children in bikinis or underwear generated by X's artificial intelligence chatbot, Grok, had made the site unusable, she said.

“The Grok AI image generator, with no safeguards, was the last straw," she said. "From tomorrow on, we're not using Twitter, or X."

X didn't immediately respond to a request seeking comment on the AFT's announcement. Another company owned by Musk, xAI, sent a generic response when contacted for comment on the AFT's decision.

X has come under increasing scrutiny internationally after Grok began publicly sharing a flood of hyper-realistic images of women and sometimes minors in bikinis or in sexually degrading or violent poses. X has since adjusted the chatbot's behavior so that images Grok generates or edits are not posted to the public timeline, though the bot will still digitally strip people of their clothes.

The AFT says it represents 1.8 million education workers, making it one of the largest U.S. labor unions. Weingarten created her account on what was then Twitter 15 years ago. Weingarten said she had already scaled back her posting due to propaganda and disinformation on the site. In the past, when asked about disinformation, Musk has said he is defending freedom of speech.

As of Wednesday, Weingarten said, her account and her union's account, which have about 100,000 and 75,000 followers respectively, would both go silent.

Asked whether the union's voice might not carry as far when it left X, Weingarten said it had to put children's safety first.

“It’s not an easy decision but it’s the right decision," she said. "You have to draw a line. If you’re on Team Humanity and you believe we have to protect children, in particular, you have to draw this line.”

https://www.reuters.com/business/me...ai-images-children-the-last-straw-2026-01-13/
 
So, now the Pentagon is integrating grok, Musk's CSAM generator, into its networks. They really are just trying to rub the fact that the US government is run by :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes in our faces at this point, aren't they?
 
Hellowhosthat said:
Well that's disgusting and needs to be reviewed. Doesn't mean Elon should support it.
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Just saying free speech purists (well a bunch of liberal hippie nudists) argued that computer-generated kiddy porn was free speech, and they were able to get the left wing of the court to agree.

Given how conservative the court is now… pretty sure Ashcroft would get overruled.
 
We have perhaps the richest man in the history of the planet who volunteered to work for the government and help cut programs designed for perhaps the neediest children/people on the planet. He cuts the programs and they die.

That right there is comic book super villain level shit.
 
Hellowhosthat said:
It's not difficult to get your AI to refuse to make those kind of images and if Grok is allowing people to make them then that should be an easy fix because every other major AI just refuses to make stuff that breaks the TOS
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Exactly, and that says a lot about Elon and these people who support him.

They have no issue with people taking pictures of children, and uploading it to get nude pictures of them.
 
HomeCheese said:
We have perhaps the richest man in the history of the planet who volunteered to work for the government and help cut programs designed for perhaps the neediest children/people on the planet. He cuts the programs and they die.

That right there is comic book super villain level shit.
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Exactly, and there are still people on here who suck his dick and act like he's a saint.
 
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