When America Was Great...

[nixkid]

No it doesn't...nice try. There is a huge difference between the republican party at its worst than to oppressive regimes like China and the Arab states..and you know that

Yeah, I know that because I never say there wasn't a huge difference. I said their values were closer not close and that is based off of your comment saying the Chinese, Russians, and Saudis don't respect America because of gay marriage, loose immigration policy, and gender issues. Conservatives are closer to the Chinese, Russians, and Saudis than liberals are hence your belief that liberal values cause the lack of respect.

 

[Seano]

The US is still great. Are we the top dog in all things? Nope, but that ultimately doesn't matter as much. This whole Ricky Bobby, "if you ain't first, youre last" type of nonsense is pretty ingrained into our heads.

Striving to be the best is good. We should always look to improve our place in the world view.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

well if america isnt the "greatest" which country is?

Trump thinks Mexico and China have very smart leaders.

 

[Satur9]

Striving to be the best is good. We should always look to improve our place in the world view.

That goes without saying. I just tend to believe that you can still be great, even if you are not the greatest. Believe me, I am no "everyone gets a trophy" type of guy. You must still try your best, at everything you do

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Rumor has it that Bill Clinton made Monica Lewinski smoke a cigar with her anus.

That's talent

 

[M3t4tr0n]

This whole line of thought really rubs me the wrong way. Basically Bernie doesn't even talk about the 40's-70's in America because of this idea that women and minorities got such a rough deal.

Instead he props up Scandinavia as the example, who just stole their ideas from 40's-70's America.

What people who make this argument tend to forget, is that Women fought and earned their economic dependence during this time. Black America, fought and won the civil rights movement during this time.

Not only was this era the golden era of the American middle class, but it was the golden era of the equality movement before the entitled bastardized 3rd and 4th wave feminism, and critical race theorists made me embarrassed to be for equality.

I don't think Trump mentioned the 60s and 70s. Even if he did it's not like things were great for minorities and lgbt people of the time. I think America is better now.

 

[IDL]

well if america isnt the "greatest" which country is?

Israel. It's chosen by god.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I don't think Trump mentioned the 60s and 70s. Even if he did it's not like things were great for minorities and lgbt people of the time. I think America is better now.

I think America is better in certain ways, and worse off in others.

I think this simplification of the issues, makes people feel good, because complex thought is hard.

 

[IDL]

I think America is better in certain ways, and worse off in others.

I think this simplification of the issues, makes people feel good, because complex thought is hard.

Yeah it's easy to cherry pick different aspects of something. There is a large number of things to choose from.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

I think America is better in certain ways, and worse off in others.

I think this simplification of the issues, makes people feel good, because complex thought is hard.

That's why I asked the question better for who. It makes a huge difference when you think from the point of view of a minority, an open lgbt person, women, and non christians. There are exceptions tho.

 

[VivaRevolution]

That's why I asked the question better for who. It makes a huge difference when you think from the point of view of a minority, an open lgbt person, women, and non christians. There are exceptions tho.

You say this like their weren't minorities that owned mom and pop shops, or had middle class manufacturing jobs.

Yes, there was more institutional discrimination, but there was also more economic opportunity even for minorities.

Remember we live in a country where the more money you have, the more rights you have. Just ask OJ.

You know what makes reporting police misconduct a lot easier? Having money to hire a lawyer to represent you.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

You say this like their weren't minorities that owned mom and pop shops, or had middle class manufacturing jobs.

Yes I said there was a very few small exceptions but I'm sure there's a lot more who benefit now compared to then. Don't forget businesses back then could and did discriminate against people all the time.

Yes, there was more institutional discrimination, but there was also more economic opportunity even for minorities.

Oh I guess since you assume there were more economic opportunities for minorities then, which I greatly disagree with you on, we can let the whole institutional racism just slide. It wasn't a big deal.

Remember we live in a country where the more money you have, the more rights you have. Just ask OJ.

What does OJ have to do with anything?

You know what makes reporting police misconduct a lot easier? Having money to hire a lawyer to represent you.

Don't know why you're bringing up police and money for lawyers but ok.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Yes I said there was a very few small exceptions but I'm sure there's a lot more who benefit now compared to then. Don't forget businesses back then could and did discriminate against people all the time.



Oh I guess since you assume there were more economic opportunities for minorities then, which I greatly disagree with you on, we can let the whole institutional racism just slide. It wasn't a big deal.



What does OJ have to do with anything?



Don't know why you're bringing up police and money for lawyers but ok.

Lizard brained.

 

[The Witcher]

Trump thinks Mexico and China have very smart leaders.

Do you take what trump says as gospel? Not sure if serious..

 

[RIPWarrior]

So denying blacks access to education and employment opportunities was okay because whites were the majority? Wonder if the same logic will apply when whites are a minority?

I think I know why you guys are so fucking scared now. You're afraid Mexicans will think like you.

What does this have to do with my post? Or the one I was replying to? White people were the majority so the economy at the time was obviously going to benefit white males.

This thread is a sad and desperate attempt to bash white males. Got to keep that ball rolling right?

What would make you think it was ok? America was doing great, whites were attempting to help blacks during the civil rights era. Without them it never would have been possible.

Some people want white people today to feel what non whites felt yesterday. The world is racist. It is natural to want to defend myself and others from the coming shit storm. White people are very caring actually. Some of the nicest people to exist. When I see all this brainwashing, racism and subversion I want to naturally fight against it.

Not a lot of people think like me.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Lizard brained.

Try to do better next time bruh.

 

[RIPWarrior]

America only started to become great in 2008.

 

[KILL KILL]

Latter half Nineteenth century and early Twentieth century in the US was the period with the greatest standard of living increases the world has since ever seen, and conveniently also had the least intrusive government.

That damn government came along and broke up monopolies, enforced worker's rights, and created child labor laws.

Before government intervention, we had incidents like the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire.

On March 25, 1911, the Triangle Shirtwaist Company factory in New York City burned, killing 145 workers. It is remembered as one of the most infamous incidents in American industrial history, as the deaths were largely preventable–most of the victims died as a result of neglected safety features and locked doors within the factory building. The tragedy brought widespread attention to the dangerous sweatshop conditions of factories, and led to the development of a series of laws and regulations that better protected the safety of workers.

http://www.history.com/topics/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

Those were the good ol days

 

[Greoric]

That damn government came along and broke up monopolies, enforced worker's rights, and created child labor laws.

Before government intervention, we had incidents like the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire.

http://www.history.com/topics/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

Those were the good ol days

It's not an argument about perfection, just about maximization. No other period in history had as little government involvement. Coincidentally, no other period in human history saw the life of the average person improve to the same degree.

And by the way, things like child labor laws don't help anything. You can't legislate into existence a higher standard of living. Children in the developed world don't have to work because we have a level of productivity that allows it. Institute child labor laws in a place like Somalia, and observe the mass starvation that will follow.

 

[KILL KILL]

It's not an argument about perfection, just about maximization. No other period in history had as little government involvement. Coincidentally, no other period in human history saw the life of the average person improve to the same degree.

And by the way, things like child labor laws don't help anything. You can't legislate into existence a higher standard of living. Children in the developed world don't have to work because we have a level of productivity that allows it. Institute child labor laws in a place like Somalia, and observe the mass starvation that will follow.

Do you know why that came to an end? The stock market crash of 1929. The economy recovered from this through government intervention and the onset of WWII. This same government broke apart monopolies and enforced worker's rights.

Not to mention, working conditions were horrible. Without government intervention, there would have been no change.

1902, Roosevelt was forced to intervene in the Anthracite coal strike because the owners did not recognize the Union, which led to the workers receiving a 10% pay increase.

1909, "Uprising of the 20,000". female shirtwaist makers in New York strike against sweatshop conditions

1911, Triangle shirtwaist factory fire killed hundreds of women when they were locked inside a building during work hours. There were no worker's rights laws to prevent this.

1912, Bread and Roses strike saw 20,000 people on the picket line. At the end of the month, a bill passed to create the Department of Labor.