When America Was Great...

[Rex Kwon Do]

What about what the world would think if he got in? You don't think the western looks at him as a joke?

Who cares? They already do. It's considered an acceptable form of bigotry to stereotype and insult Americans based on their place of birth. Doesn't matter if you're intelligent, educated, in shape, and worldly; you're still a fat moron that jacks off to Gun Digest. That's not going to change, so we might as well not factor that in.

Eight years of your progressive Jesus figure and global anti-Americanism is stronger than it's ever been.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

I have no real opinion on those things in terms of this conversation. I don't think they really matter in how the rest of the civilized world views us.

I've always supported gay rights. I enjoy a good racist joke as much as the next guy but I hate no one based on race. Women's liberation was so far before my time that I couldn't really form an opinion. I don't think anyone here could. I have no issue with women in the workplace or women voting. Its not a thing for me. I can see an argument being made for women as homemakers I suppose, but not as a rule.

That's the problem. America was great back then for who? Not minorities, gays, and women. Pretty much white Christian straight men only with a few small exceptions.

 

[n...not crazy]

Do you guys think it was great for minorities, women, and lgbt peoples?

LGBT, seriously? If that's the measuring stick, bah c'mon man. You need to compare us to others in the era.

It's like saying "Was Jesse Owens really a great sprinter? He ran a 10.3, that's not great."

 

[Seano]

and those colleges are still around

you ran your mouth about our economy

We're still number one

You have no facts and all your rhetoric is coming from an ignorant and bitter bigoted point of view

I'm aware colleges are still around, but thanks for trying to point that out. They're not a product of modern society.

Our economy is not what it once was. Again comparing it worldwide today is just setting the bar low. If we're only going to look at what it is today, then you're still wrong. Industrial production has declined in the last few years in the US. Anyone denying that the US manufactures less than it did has their head in the sand.

Its pathetic that you've resorted to calling me a bigot. You know nothing at all about me and my personal views. You seem like you should be able to form an argument without resorting to that.

 

[Seano]

That's the problem. America was great back then for who? Not minorities, gays, and women. Pretty much white Christian straight men only with a few small exceptions.

Isn't it obvious that we'd be judged on majorities? Isn't it a good thing that your majority is doing well?

 

[Joe]

No, people being fat and not exercising is a real concern. If we had less obese people but worked just as long, our life expectancy would increase and be among the best in the world (excluding a few freak nations with homogeneous populations that probably have high life expectancies partially due to genetic factors, like the Japanese).

yes, there are multiple studies that do say it.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

Who cares? They already do. It's considered an acceptable form of bigotry to stereotype and insult Americans based on their place of birth. Doesn't matter if you're intelligent, educated, in shape, and worldly; you're still a fat moron that jacks off to Gun Digest. That's not going to change, so we might as well not factor that in.

Eight years of your progressive Jesus figure and global anti-Americanism is stronger than it's ever been.

So global anti-americanism is strong because of my Jesus figure? Are you saying Obama is my Jesus? So it's all because of Obama and has nothing to do with American foreign policy or the Iraq war? Do you think the worlds view of America was great when either of the Bushes were in office or Reagan?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

That's the problem. America was great back then for who? Not minorities, gays, and women. Pretty much white Christian straight men only with a few small exceptions.

To test the principle you are applying here, let's go to extremes. What if America was at Somalia-levels of shittiness in terms of economy, crime, all that good stuff, but we also had the most amazingly egalitarian laws in the world? People could marry a rock if they wanted, pay was equal for man, woman, genderqueer, Furry, etc. Would you say American Somalia was the best it ever was because women and gays were doing just as well as straight white men? Or would you use common sense and say yeah...the economy and shit like that is kind of more important, American Somalia sucks balls.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

So global anti-americanism is strong because of my Jesus figure? Are you saying Obama is my Jesus? So it's all because of Obama and has nothing to do with American foreign policy or the Iraq war? Do you think the worlds view of America was great when either of the Bushes were in office or Reagan?

You're saying we shouldn't elect Trump because foreigners will think we're dumb. I'm saying that we've had 8 years of this brilliant, Nobel-prize winning liberal you love in office and we are more hated than ever. So...what do you conclude from that? Is it as simple as "blame Bush"? I don't know how you guys can mock the "thanks, Obama" people but shift all blame from Obama onto Bush. You do the exact same thing and justify it to yourselves by saying "but we're right!"

 

[M3t4tr0n]

LGBT, seriously? If that's the measuring stick, bah c'mon man. You need to compare us to others in the era.

It's like saying "Was Jesse Owens really a great sprinter? He ran a 10.3, that's not great."

I didn't just say lgbt. What I meant is anyone other then none Christian white men. And the comparison by Trump isn't just others in that era but involves our current state compared to the current state of us in that era.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

To test the principle you are applying here, let's go to extremes. What if America was at Somalia-levels of shittiness in terms of economy, crime, all that good stuff, but we also had the most amazingly egalitarian laws in the world? People could marry a rock if they wanted, pay was equal for man, woman, genderqueer, Furry, etc. Would you say American Somalia was the best it ever was because women and gays were doing just as well as straight white men? Or would you use common sense and say yeah...the economy and shit like that is kind of more important, American Somalia sucks balls.

Let's stick to the main question in the op bruh.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

You're saying we shouldn't elect Trump because foreigners will think we're dumb. I'm saying that we've had 8 years of this brilliant, Nobel-prize winning liberal you love in office and we are more hated than ever. So...what do you conclude from that? Is it as simple as "blame Bush"? I don't know how you guys can mock the "thanks, Obama" people but shift all blame from Obama onto Bush. You do the exact same thing and justify it to yourselves by saying "but we're right!"

No. I don't know for sure if the world even hates us now more then ever for starters. Also the whole mess in the middle east doesn't just rest on Obamas shoulders. Bush, American foreign policy, Islamic extremism, and several other things I'm forgetting play a role in it. There's no black and white just various shades of grey.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Let's stick to the main question in the op bruh.

That is the question. I'm testing your theory that America couldn't have been greater then because gays and women weren't treated as equally as they are now. Answer my question and we are able to more thoroughly analyze your position.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

No. I don't know for sure if the world even hates us now more then ever for starters. Also the whole mess in the middle east doesn't just rest on Obamas shoulders. Bush, American foreign policy, Islamic extremism, and several other things I'm forgetting play a role in it. There's no black and white just various shades of grey.

You can't "go" anywhere on the internet without seeing people talk shit about America/Americans. Lol. It's not even a joke, that's legitimately true. In every international forum or discussion group online that I'm a member of, there's a healthy contingent of people that dislike America and hold generally negative views of Americans. These are fairly educated people, too. They're mostly smug Europeans that were able to build their societies after WWII in large part because of American aid or because American military protection allowed them to dedicate their resources to bettering their societies instead of self-defense, but this escapes 99% of them.

With regards to the causes, sure, it's a complex mix. It was a complex mix under Eisenhower, a complex mix under W, a complex mix under Obama, and will be a complex mix under Trump. The point is, even with a liberal in office for 8 years things have not gotten better but worse. So once again, why is that a reason not to vote Trump?

 

[Space]

Let's stick to the main question in the op bruh.

I think I already addressed it on the first page, right?

America's economy was great back then; it's not a question of social justice. That's what Trump was referring to. If we could go back and rewrite history, we would have a postwar boom with rights for all, but that's not how life works.

It's too bad what happened, but don't get your panties in a bunch when people refer to the relative greatness of the postwar era in terms of economics.

 

[djacobox372]

1950's economics:

-Near total unionization of the workforce
-91% maximum tax rate
-Massive trade tariffs
-Strict enforcement of anti-trust laws, and breaking up of big companies
-Extensive public funding of colleges and infrastructure

Bernie's the closest thing to 1950's tax, trade and regulation policy.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

That is the question. I'm testing your theory that America couldn't have been greater then because gays and women weren't treated as equally as they are now. Answer my question and we are able to more thoroughly analyze your position.

You changed the question into an hypothetical one with too many variables is the problem.

 

[7437]

Who cares? They already do. It's considered an acceptable form of bigotry to stereotype and insult Americans based on their place of birth. Doesn't matter if you're intelligent, educated, in shape, and worldly; you're still a fat moron that jacks off to Gun Digest. That's not going to change, so we might as well not factor that in.

Eight years of your progressive Jesus figure and global anti-Americanism is stronger than it's ever been.

Loud too, people think we are loud.

 

[Joe]

1950's economics:

-Near total unionization of the workforce
-91% maximum tax rate
-Massive trade tariffs
-Strict enforcement of anti-trust laws, and breaking up of big companies
-Extensive public funding of colleges and infrastructure

Bernie's the closest thing to 1950's tax, trade and regulation policy.

not even bernie would argue for that. they would call him a dictator nazy commie. wait, they already do tho. btw poverty was much higher in those days also.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

America was great before the goddamn hippie scumbags and leftists ruined it.