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Opinion What's the consensus on Ben Shapiro around here?

Cajun said:
You don't have to pull anyone else into this discussion dude. I don't even really care except I think he's definitely very sharp and obviously a gifted debater.
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Rational Poster said:
First off, it's just your bullshit opinion with no substance. There are no pictures, no links to his writings or debates, nothing. Just your dumb opinion, and that's boring, because you're obviously nowhere near as smart as me and certainly nowhere near as smart as Ben.

He says some things that you agree with and bullies around college kids you disagree with on youtube and you think that makes him some sort of high tier conservative intellectual, yet he actually hasn't done anything but sell books.

And while I do happen to agree with you that he is intelligent and does make some decent points sometimes, that really doesn't mean anything more than that. He hasn't really challenged himself and it's pretty obvious to people that are actually able to keep up with him. And that's kind of his thing here, he just sort of bombards you with data points and you just assume they're true because you want to agree with him and confirm your own "intelligence" and the biases he targets.

As to the strength of his arguments, there is certainly some merit to his position that black culture is the reason for disparity in wealth and performance compared to the rest of America society, yet he frames his argument very dismissively. He condescendingly announces, "Saying it's racism doesn't solve anything", and counters with his culture argument.. but he doesn't offer any solutions either. Not to mention the idea that the disparity between black culture is totally the fault of black Americans is completely disingenuous and is sort of a selfish deflection away from the issues with his own culture. The idea that black culture was sort of developed completely in isolation from white culture and is completely their responsibility to correct, is well, complete bullshit. The idea that white society bears no responsibility on the end result of what we see in today's black society, and can play no role in fixing it is 100% intellectually lazy.
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His debates and writing arent hard to find if you were so smart like you claim to be youd have no problem finding them. It is an opinion 100%, whats the problem with that, you against opinions?

Im curious on what people's opinions are on him and it seems only the farthest left like yourself hate him
 
HomerThompson said:
Thanks man, I totally agree. Except, I'd say that I'm extremely sharp, not just very. Thanks again.
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Are you and Rational Shitposter the same guy? Both self proclaimed smart guys but haven't said a single smart thing lol
 
BjPenn2017 said:
His debates and writing arent hard to find if you were so smart like you claim to be youd have no problem finding them. It is an opinion 100%, whats the problem with that, you against opinions?

Im curious on what people's opinions are on him and it seems only the farthest left like yourself hate him
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Yeah, but you made the thread not me. You made a shit thread. Just own it.

I'm not the farthest left and I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone that I can think of, honestly. In my last post even even flat out say he makes some decent points and I agree with him sometimes.

You just couldn't comprehend it, just like you can't comprehend most of what Ben is motormouthing at you.

Do you even own any of his books?
 
Rational Poster said:
Yeah, but you made the thread not me. You made a shit thread. Just own it.

I'm not the farthest left and I don't hate him. I don't hate anyone that I can think of, honestly. In my last post even even flat out say he makes some decent points and I agree with him sometimes.

You just couldn't comprehend it, just like you can't comprehend most of what Ben is motormouthing at you.

Do you even own any of his books?
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Well why must you continually shitpost in it?
 
BjPenn2017 said:
His debates and writing arent hard to find if you were so smart like you claim to be youd have no problem finding them. It is an opinion 100%, whats the problem with that, you against opinions?

Im curious on what people's opinions are on him and it seems only the farthest left like yourself hate him
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Yeah absolutely no objectivity. I saw one poster mention something about no one on the left being that smart. Of course there are brilliant minds on both sides Ben is one on the right. Also hes a great debater.
 
GearSolidMetal said:
As if he'd answer that honestly.
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The guy seems to be just trolling and throwing out teenage responses when peeps press him. Should be age verification getting in here.
 
Rational Poster said:
As to the strength of his arguments, there is certainly some merit to his position that black culture is the reason for disparity in wealth and performance compared to the rest of America society, yet he frames his argument very dismissively. He condescendingly announces, "Saying it's racism doesn't solve anything", and counters with his culture argument.. but he doesn't offer any solutions either. Not to mention the idea that the disparity between black culture is totally the fault of black Americans is completely disingenuous and is sort of a selfish deflection away from the issues with his own culture. The idea that black culture was sort of developed completely in isolation from white culture and is completely their responsibility to correct, is well, complete bullshit. The idea that white society bears no responsibility on the end result of what we see in today's black society, and can play no role in fixing it is 100% intellectually lazy.
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He is also kind boring as you described. None of his positions are new. They're just the usual republican stuff we've been hearing since Nixon. Really.
"I'm not racist, but ghetto culture is bad"
"Israel is a democracy, we need to support it, see how the arabs flog people"
"guns don't kill people, people kill people"
"the democrats support identity politics, they're the real racists"

I find most debaters to be extremely boring. I understand the power of rhetoric, so they have their importance, but at least some come with original ideas. A guy like Noam Chomsky, I don't agree with his politics, but he brought new ideas to the table. On the right you have Pat Buchanan, also I don't care too much about his politics, but he was touting a very different line than the other conservatives at his time.

Listening to him feels a bit like listening to Richard Dawkins in the early 2000s, even if he was right, it was always the same stuff over and over. "we don't come from monkeys", "evolution is not random" etc. You only needed to listen to him once.
Although in his case it was because the other debaters were incredibly dumb.
Sam Harris is somewhat similar, but much more interesting than Shapiro.
 
Loko3 said:
On that topic, search for "Master Levin" on YouTube for a laugh about someone another right wing commentator sounds like
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was that supposed to be Mark Levin? yeah, I've known him for years, smart guy but very annoying
 
The more I study his videos and argument forms, the more I am certain he is smart enough to know that intelligent arguments are no good. He lobs rhetoric and constantly practices VERY poor debate.

I'm not going to doubt he's smart. But his persona while debating is NOT a strong debater.

Cajun said:
You don't have to pull anyone else into this discussion dude. I don't even really care except I think he's definitely very sharp and obviously a gifted debater.
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He truly is not. I promise you.
 
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