Opinion What's the consensus on Ben Shapiro around here?

[Trotsky]

Its 'evidence' because reguardless of it being eye-witness or victim-witness, witness testimony is the most unreliable form of evidence. Period.

You don't know anything about what you're talking about. Period.

The reasons for unreliability in eye witness testimony (again, which is distinct from victim testimony anyways) do not apply to this set of facts.

There's so many examples of witnesses making mistakes, from identification of a perpetrator, to order of events, and times/locations. Those mistakes are common with witnesses making statements within minutes to hours of a crime, and statements made of a crime that happened more than a week before are considered very questionable in reliability.

All of the scenarios you are citing are examples of eye witnesses mis-remembering fleeting events.

You seriously think this woman/these women who had long, sustained interactions with Roy Moore are actually confusing him with another guy who made advanced on them/raped them?

Now take that information, and seriously consider the reliability of an event that took place nearly four decades ago when the witness was barely a teenager, upwards of 2000 weeks ago.

You seriously think that's reliable victim testimony?

Yes, as I am not a moron and understand the areas in which victim testimony may be vulnerable to criticism.

I have never ever (ever ever ever) heard of cases where, because of a long duration of time, victims' minds completely make up long and detailed events of specific persons, or remember an offender to be a different person. This isn't some women being robbed, getting a two-second glimpse, and then making a visual ID 30 years later. These are women of a small community, being preyed on by a member of that community, and having sustained interactions with him.

No, I am actually open to being convinced, which I've said many times.

No you're not. I don't care how many times you say it.

There is no realistic evidence that could exist of these events that would satisfy you. So far we have testimony from the victims, testimony from the victims' friends, testimony from the victims' families, and even testimony from Moore's own colleagues that he was constantly dating high school girls.

Actually, you're right.

You were a joke before that post, and you still are a joke.

So, keep on posting and keeping the laughs coming.

Will do.

How whiny and hurt you are is absolutely delicious, by the way.

 

[tonni]

From what I seen he mostly has town halls with children in training to be adults and just sort of confuses everyone by spouting off data points at high speed.

he's a sophist imo

 

[Trotsky]

@LogicalInsanity is more reasonable.

That is how I thought I remembered it, but then GearSolidMetal's first-page post (Shapiro is Limbaugh without the partisan hindrances) was way more reasonable than LogicalInsanity's (he's brilliant and anyone who disagrees isn't smart enough to understand him) .

 

[Trotsky]

From what I seen he mostly has town halls with children in training to be adults and just sort of confuses everyone by spouting off data points at high speed.

I expected him to eviscerate Cenk from TYT when they had a debate, mostly based on Cenk being a can. I was fairly surprised that it was, at best for Shapiro, a draw.

He really should stick to debating kids off the street who can't challenge his references.

 

[tonni]

That is how I thought I remembered it, but then GearSolidMetal's first-page post (Shapiro is Limbaugh without the partisan hindrances) was way more reasonable than LogicalInsanity's (he's brilliant and anyone who disagrees isn't smart enough to understand him) .

i think the difference is that @LogicalInsanity is often willing to step away from his point of view and is open to other opinions. not sure how much further he would take the "Ben Shapiro is brilliant and if you disagree you're dumb" point if pressed on it.

 

[Tiny]

I expected him to eviscerate Cenk from TYT when they had a debate, mostly based on Cenk being a can. I was fairly surprised that it was, at best for Shapiro, a draw.

He really should stick to debating kids off the street who can't challenge his references.

are you kidding? rewatch that debate. Cenk made a fool of himself and villified his audience.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

You don't know anything about what you're talking about. Period.

The reasons for unreliability in eye witness testimony (again, which is distinct from victim testimony anyways) do not apply to this set of facts.



All of the scenarios you are citing are examples of eye witnesses mis-remembering fleeting events.

You seriously think this woman/these women who had long, sustained interactions with Roy Moore are actually confusing him with another guy who made advanced on them/raped them?



Yes, as I am not a moron and understand the areas in which victim testimony may be vulnerable to criticism.

I have never ever (ever ever ever) heard of cases where, because of a long duration of time, victims' minds completely make up long and detailed events of specific persons, or remember an offender to be a different person. This isn't some women being robbed, getting a two-second glimpse, and then making a visual ID 30 years later. These are women of a small community, being preyed on by a member of that community, and having sustained interactions with him.




No you're not. I don't care how many times you say it.

There is no realistic evidence that could exist of these events that would satisfy you. So far we have testimony from the victims, testimony from the victims' friends, testimony from the victims' families, and even testimony from Moore's own colleagues that he was constantly dating high school girls.



Will do.

How whiny and hurt you are is absolutely delicious, by the way.

Whiney and hurt? I'm laughing my ass off over here.

You apparently have a romanticized view of witness testimony as if everyone has a photographic memory. You go ahead and keep believing that.

Nevermind the obvious political tricks of this coming out in the month prior to a Senate election, or Gloria Alred coming out with an accuser with an obvious scripted statement and a year book signature Alred won't say if its a forgery. If you haven't figured out this is a character assassination so the Dems can grab a Senate seat, you ain't exactly Sherlock Holmes.

By your own admition, the only evidence against Moore is 38 year old witness testimony and hear-say of the women telling others he touched them. While you consider that to be disqualifying for Moore, you don't consider Franken's sexual assaults anything worthy of him being removed from the Senate.

Partisan hypocrisy at its finest.

 

[Trotsky]

Whiney and hurt? I'm laughing my ass off over here.

You apparently have a romanticized view of witness testimony as if everyone has a photographic memory. You go ahead and keep believing that.

God, you're a fucking moron. And don't think that I believe for one second that you don't actually understand the substantive difference between situations in which witness testimony is vulnerable and ones in which it is not.

You don't seriously think that the women's stories of dating Roy Moore, of being kissed by him, of being groped by him could reasonably be cases of their imagination inventing it or confusing him with another person. We both know you're just trying to make silly arguments you derived from some SVU episode that otherwise went over your head.

If you don't see how that is distinctly stupid compared to, say, someone mis-remembering seeing something on an occasion, you're delusional.

If you haven't figured out this is a character assassination so the Dems can grab a Senate seat, you ain't exactly Sherlock Holmes.

LOL

Funny how literally none of these women have been tied to the DNC and the only ones who are politically affiliated are Republicans. And all their stories check back 30 years. Hell of a Dem conspiracy.

But, yeah, in the event that these women aren't just suffering from faulty memory, I'm sure it's just a really, really elaborate and well-planned conspiracy.

By your own admition, the only evidence against Moore is 38 year old witness testimony and hear-say of the women telling others he touched them. While you consider that to be disqualifying for Moore, you don't consider Franken's sexual assaults anything worthy of him being removed from the Senate.

Partisan hypocrisy at its finest.

You do realize that evidence of an act is different than the act itself, right?

I completely believe the stories about Franken. I have zero reason to believe otherwise. However, the acts described (touching butts of women he was taking pictures with, kissing a woman in a skit rehearsal, pretending to grope a woman for a comedic photo) are distinctly less offensive than finger banging 14 year olds.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Funny how literally none of these women have been tied to the DNC

Keep displaying how little you know of the situation.

 

[loyalyolayal]

Itt, I learned it's still Shapiro's fault if people made a fool of themselves.

Trudeau-ing posters here still makes me giggle.

 

[Phelly2]

Ben Shapiro (along with Steven Crowder) is my "go to" when it comes to politics. Yes, he's very, very conservative. But also very, very intelligent, articulate, and reasonable.

I think what sets Shapiro apart from 99.9% other political commentators is that he has a very strong moral compass which he holds to steadfastly, even when talking about fellow conservatives and political allies. Agree with him or not, he's very intellectually and morally consistent. He might call out democrats when they do X, Y, or Z, but he'll call out fellow republicans just as quickly if they do the same thing.

 

[Tiny]

Itt, I learned it's still Shapiro's fault if people made a fool of themselves.

Trudeau-ing posters here still makes me giggle.

Trudeau.

About the only thing that asshole is doing correctly is legalizing pot.

That's it.

 

[Phelly2]

I dunno how to embed

Nevermind.. just post the link and it' automatic

I've watched that one before. Whoever invited Charles needs to be fired. My 6 year old is more articulate than he is.
Whenever he spoke up, I went into cringe mode.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

Evil zionist.
https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2003/08/27/transfer-is-not-a-dirty-word-n976781

Here is the bottom line: If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It's an ugly solution, but it is the only solution. And it is far less ugly than the prospect of bloody conflict ad infinitum. When two populations are constantly enmeshed in conflict, it is insane to suggest that somehow deep-seated ideological change will miraculously occur, allowing the two sides to live together.
It's time to stop being squeamish. Jews are not Nazis. Transfer is not genocide. And anything else isn't a solution.

Here he proposes expelling all palestinians from palestine to keep Israel jewish.

 

[Phelly2]

I do think he oversimplifies tranagenderism...and dismisses it all to quick as a mental disorder..

Perhaps he oversimplifies it. But it's pretty clearly a mental disorder. If it's a mental disorder to think you're fat even when you're actually severely underweight (body dysmorphia), then it's a mental disorder to think you're a woman when you're actually a man (gender disphoria).

Yes, I know, people will try to make a distinction and say that gender disphoria (previously known as gender identity disorder) is not a mental illness because the DSM says so. But they fail to explain why people with gender disphoria have a 40% lifetime attempted suicide rate, regardless of whether they get gender reassignment or any other treatment recommended by transgender activists. They will argue that the 40% suicide rate is only because they're treated badly by society, but that number is only affected by a couple of percentage points for people who are never misgendered (I.E., people who actually look like the sex they want to be)

 

[21 Savage]

Ben Shapiro (along with Steven Crowder) is my "go to" when it comes to politics.

hahahahahahah

 

[Cajun]

lol

Harvard graduate debates random black people.

He's so smart!

A lawyer and director at the NAACP is random black person lol? You are just trolling now

 

[DickSarp]

He does what anyone versed in academics does, he gets his POV / spiel down and he repeats it. I find him to be a typical right winger. Nothing special. When he's confronted with someone who is out of his wheelhouse of targets (read young college students) he argues like a fucking child.

Plus, in the grand tradition of battling the terrible PC beast of the Left, Shapiro has no problem falling back into the soft cushion of protection afforded by his choice of religion. He's a Jew who cries 'anti-Semitism' when it suits his purpose...i.e., he's getting his ass handed to him.

I really cannot tell what his unique professional contribution is to anything. I find him to be a boring defender of the status quo and class privilege. Nothing really there. Limbaugh's nonsense had a flair. Shapiro has no talent for that. He's dull and certainly not a respected intellectual like other pundits like Noam Chomsky or JK Galbraith.

 

[uncommon]

for those calling him a dork, he is reported to do 30 pullups

hard to find him bragging about his physical prowess possibly due to his orthodox faith

 

[flashNsmash]

Those 'random black people' are college professors.

appalling that he would dismiss their credentials so quickly because of the colour of their skin