What's the actual state of drug testing in the UFC right now?

[Cartiac]

Okay, just to be clear, you think that an organization you're blasting for being corrupt was pushing around a very wealthy organization that is famous for its dishonesty and shady business practices. I think it's more reasonable to assume that the two shady businesses found a way to be corrupt together and neither one was being pushed around. (Also, don't forget the allegations in reverse, such as the time that the UFC was pushing them to ignore Conor's test results.)

Not that it completely negates the possibility of dishonesty and shady business practices but the UFC has been publicly owned since 2016, they are subject to many layers, the board of directors, stockholders, SEC, FTC, etc that hold them accountable to meet their obligation of conducting honest and fair business practices. USADA is a federally funded, non-government agency that has zero oversight and accountability.

It is not hard at all to find evidence of USADA dishonesty, it exists in your own post with your comment about Conor. Conor nor the UFC ever pushed to ignore drug tests as Tygart claimed. UFC had the contractually agreed upon option to waive the 6 month re-entry timeframe for a fighter at their discretion but they still had to pass two drug tests before they can fight which never happened anyway, but Tygart's statement showed he is either a blatant liar or blatantly incompetent or both. Which makes it pretty easy to understand why UFC did not feel USADA lived up to their expectations and chose to work with a different company this time.

 

[don't ask]

that hold them accountable to meet their obligation of conducting honest and fair business practices.

You literally sound like you've never heard of capitalism.

Conor nor the UFC ever pushed to ignore drug tests as Tygart claimed.

This sounds like something you can't possibly know, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

UFC had the contractually agreed upon option to waive the 6 month re-entry timeframe for a fighter at their discretion but they still had to pass two drug tests before they can fight which never happened anyway, but Tygart's statement showed he is either a blatant liar or blatantly incompetent or both.

Can you tell me where I can learn more about this? I'll do some additional digging, but nothing I read at the time was able to verify either side's story.

Which makes it pretty easy to understand why UFC did not feel USADA lived up to their expectations and chose to work with a different company this time.

I don't think you have the evidence to conclude this, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

 

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[Cartiac]

You literally sound like you've never heard of capitalism.

I'm not even sure what you are even trying to suggest with that one. You are asserting that UFC is corrupt, dishonest, engaging in shady business practices, and even suggesting they are colluding with another business entity for the sake of combined corruption. Which are extremely serious accusations with extreme consequences if remotely true.

I'm stating your accusations, while not impossible, are highly improbable due to the ownership structure of publicly owned companies, the multi federal agency standards they must report to, and scrutiny of the financial industry as a whole. Furthermore UFC is not an independent company, nor do they have even a single member on the board of TKO, their parent company. TKO has a $20B market cap which is a good amount of money those owners probably don't want to lose due to corrupt behavior by UFC employees, that is even more important to the executives of TKO because they face federal pound me in the ass prison if UFC is found to be committing illegal activity.

This sounds like something you can't possibly know, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.


Can you tell me where I can learn more about this? I'll do some additional digging, but nothing I read at the time was able to verify either side's story.


I don't think you have the evidence to conclude this, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

I'm pretty confused how you apparently are unable to find any proof. It is not that hard to verify because we have many articles with direct statements from both sides and the magical power of hindsight to know what actually happened. UFC's option to waive the 6 month is widely reported, not hard to find at all and they have exercised that option previously for Meisha Tate.

Tygart's accusation was that UFC's decision to not continue business with USADA was motivated by their desire for Conor to fight without being drug tested. That was very clearly not true at all considering USADA has been gone a long time and not only has Conor not fought, Conor has been the most tested athlete by the UFC.

The bottom line is their contract was over, their was not relationship Tygart to end as he claims, he made an offer to the UFC for slightly more than their previous rate and the UFC said no thank you, we have decided to pursue other options we feel better meet the needs of our company. I also heard Hunter may have concluded his statement by offering Tygart a big bag of dicks to suck on , but don't quote me on that one

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Pop anyone not top 5, anyone top 5 gets a pass. Duh....

 

[don't ask]

I'm not even sure what you are even trying to suggest with that one. You are asserting that UFC is corrupt, dishonest, engaging in shady business practices, and even suggesting they are colluding with another business entity for the sake of combined corruption. Which are extremely serious accusations with extreme consequences if remotely true.

I am not saying the englarged portions of your post. Regarding those matters, what I'm saying is that you have no evidentiary basis to conclude that it's not happening.

I'm stating your accusations, while not impossible, are highly improbable due to the ownership structure of publicly owned companies, the multi federal agency standards they must report to, and scrutiny of the financial industry as a whole. Furthermore UFC is not an independent company, nor do they have even a single member on the board of TKO, their parent company. TKO has a $20B market cap which is a good amount of money those owners probably don't want to lose due to corrupt behavior by UFC employees, that is even more important to the executives of TKO because they face federal pound me in the ass prison if UFC is found to be committing illegal activity.

Massive corporations violate the law with impunity across America in the most squeaky-clean of industries, let alone an industry as dirty as the fight game. You sound delusional if you think capitalism prevents businesses from committing crime or if UFC doesn't skirt the edges pretty frequently, if not outright going past them.

I'm pretty confused how you apparently are unable to find any proof.

There is no proof to be found. That's why you're making assumptions.

It is not that hard to verify because we have many articles with direct statements from both sides and the magical power of hindsight to know what actually happened. UFC's option to waive the 6 month is widely reported, not hard to find at all and they have exercised that option previously for Meisha Tate.

Tygart's accusation was that UFC's decision to not continue business with USADA was motivated by their desire for Conor to fight without being drug tested. That was very clearly not true at all considering USADA has been gone a long time and not only has Conor not fought, Conor has been the most tested athlete by the UFC.

The bottom line is their contract was over, their was not relationship Tygart to end as he claims, he made an offer to the UFC for slightly more than their previous rate and the UFC said no thank you, we have decided to pursue other options we feel better meet the needs of our company. I also heard Hunter may have concluded his statement by offering Tygart a big bag of dicks to suck on , but don't quote me on that one

There are alternative candidate explanations for all your assumptions here that you don't want to think about and there is no more proof for one than the other. We have no verification that either side's stories are true. As an example, you're taking Hunter's word over Tygart's word and that's the extent of your evdience. Additionally, the UFC clearly expected Conor to have fought already, so there's no basis to conclude that his not fighting disproves Tygart.

 

[MEAN357]

When they announced they were dropping USADA for this new operation and USADA claimed it was because they wouldn't ignore Conor's violations, most people assumed that the UFC was setting themselves up to be as shady as possible with no accountability.

Does anyone know how the new company is doing? Do we have any reason to believe that they're testing and upholding the standards, rules and regulations in a trustworthy manner? Has anyone seen any news sources talking about this?

(Also, is it true that knockouts have decreased since they brought in the new gloves? I've seen people claiming this and we must have had enough fights since the new gloves were introduced to extract meaningful data to examine.)

EDIT: From what I've turned up Harris, Hill and Askhabov were suspended since CSAD replaced USADA, but Hill was a self-reported violation and Harris was actually caught by USADA with CSAD merely implementing the punishment. I don't know if Askhabov was caught by CSAD, but since he was suspended at the same time Harris was, I suspect he was also caught by USADA.

UFC News: Fighter Hit With 4-Year Suspension From New UFC Anti-Doping Partner

The first suspension of the post-USADA era of drug testing in the UFC will keep this heavyweight out of action for four years.

www.si.com

Khalil Rountree Jr. suspended 2 months for doping violation, could face additional penalty in Nevada

Khalil Rountree has to sit out until July due to a violation of the UFC’s anti-doping policy, which prevents him from fighting Jamahal Hill at UFC 303 and he also faces a potential punishment from the Nevada Athletic Commission as well.

www.mmafighting.com

Khusein Askhabov Suspended for Two Years Due To Failed Drug Test

Ultimate Fighting Championship featherweight Khusein Askhabov (23-1) has been suspended for two years due to anti-doping violations.

www.sherdog.com

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[Cartiac]

I am not saying the englarged portions of your post. Regarding those matters, what I'm saying is that you have no evidentiary basis to conclude that it's not happening.

Damn right you aren't saying it, you have to go with a much larger number before you can even start to find the words to say about matters regarding the enlargement of my portions pal. What I am saying is that I am kinda creeped out that you thought about my portions, but also comforted because you have no penetentuary basics to conclude that the enlargment is not happening.

There is no proof to be found. That's why you're making assumptions.

Great! Since there is no proof to be found that I am wrong, I must be right! I'm really a boob guy, and don't even remember making any kind of ass stuff but good to no there is no proof.

There are alternative candidate explanations for all your assumptions here that you don't want to think about and there is no more proof for one than the other. We have no verification that either side's stories are true. As an example, you're taking Hunter's word over Tygart's word and that's the extent of your evdience. Additionally, the UFC clearly expected Conor to have fought already, so there's no basis to conclude that his not fighting disproves Tygart.

Nonsense, alternatives are only considered in the absence of a primary. As an example, it is impossible to deny that Dana White's statement that Travis Tygart went full Britney Spears is anything other than an undeniable fact. Tygart has never even tried to deny it himself.

 

[don't ask]

Damn right you aren't saying it, you have to go with a much larger number before you can even start to find the words to say about matters regarding the enlargement of my portions pal. What I am saying is that I am kinda creeped out that you thought about my portions, but also comforted because you have no penetentuary basics to conclude that the enlargment is not happening.

Great! Since there is no proof to be found that I am wrong, I must be right! I'm really a boob guy, and don't even remember making any kind of ass stuff but good to no there is no proof.


Nonsense, alternatives are only considered in the absence of a primary. As an example, it is impossible to deny that Dana White's statement that Travis Tygart went full Britney Spears is anything other than an undeniable fact. Tygart has never even tried to deny it himself.

Oh, okay. I'm glad you went full troll before I wasted time actually looking to see if any actual evidence has emerged. Very much appreciated.

 

[cmw43]

From what I understand they just changed USADA to DFSI (Drug Free Sport International) which they claim is the leader in this, with clientes such as FIFA and MBL. But I don't think it changed anything in their policy, just the agency taking the tests are a new one.

About the gloves I remember someone made a thread about this a while ago. The KO rate was a little smaller in the new gloves but not something really odd. Specially because of the small sample of fights on the new glove.

Edit: Interesting stat just for fun. The percentage of (t)KOs in MMA overall is increasing, which you think would be decreasing with the addition of smaller classes and WMMA, who have less power. But the percentage of submissions is decreasing year by year, probably because fighters are now much more well rounded and able to defend against it.

FIFA/Soccer have no intention of catching anyone. Testing in the Premier League is a complete sham.