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Whats going on in Chicago?

Big_Chief_Stove said:
Gun control does not work.... You've learned nothing from this social experiment.
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Odd that it works in pretty much every country that isn't the US.

ETA: you can hardly argue that the current state of gun law purchasing in the US at large is "gun control". I can still get a gun with a criminal record check and a valid driver's licence in about 15 minutes in half the states in the country.
 
ValidArmani said:
The left doesn't care about black lives but they sure like to manipulate the black victim complex/mentality so they can get black votes.
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Specifically, the Democrats, have embraced victim politics across the board and abandoned economic issues of the past.

The problem in this country is the economy and both parties are together on ignoring it.

We forget racism is just one tool of economic disparity. No one has their eye on the ball and it works perfectly.
 
Palis said:
It's not a gun problem it's a people problem. It's a city run like shit with angered youth blacks doing about 99% of the violence on themselves.
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This is a list of known Chicago gangs, its long been out of control.

 
BrianFantana said:
Oh, I know what the idea is. The idea hasn't worked for two centuries, but they keep clinging to the notion it will work. The US has over 300 million guns, and the highest rate of gun violence anywhere in the world. The guns aren't protecting anyone to any significant degree.

But everyone knows that. They may be less familiar with what happened in Australia, after strict gun law reform was introduced in 1996 following a string of mass shootings: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2530362.

I will let anyone and everyone peruse that study (they will not) and offer pointed criticisms of same (charming, I know).
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I dont know.....guns dont shoot themselves, people do. If I am determined to kill you and I cant find a gun. Im not gonna say oh well. I will find another method. Personally even if I am not a fan of guns.....I rather have a gun to atleast try to shoot the guy who want to shoot me. There is way too many guns in America already to say everyone return your guns. No bad guy is gonna return his.
 
Palis said:
Gun free.

Run by Liberal Democrats. GG
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That's the real joke about gun control in America. We have an estimated 300-400 million guns in circulation. We are the most well armed populace in the world. Gun control and gun free zones don't stop bad guys from having guns and using them, they stop law abiding citizens from having them.
 
black lives matter... just not to black people. :confused:

And Chicago sucks no doubt, but it's getting press due to its combination of shittyness and size. Other cities such as St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, Newark, New Orleans all sport higher gun homocide per capita figures.

That's also fairly alarming.
 
BrianFantana said:
Odd that it works in pretty much every country that isn't the US.

ETA: you can hardly argue that the current state of gun law purchasing in the US at large is "gun control". I can still get a gun with a criminal record check and a valid driver's licence in about 15 minutes in half the states in the country.
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That's not how they even get guns though.
 
BrianFantana said:
Odd that it works in pretty much every country that isn't the US.

ETA: you can hardly argue that the current state of gun law purchasing in the US at large is "gun control". I can still get a gun with a criminal record check and a valid driver's licence in about 15 minutes in half the states in the country.
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The reason why it works is because those countries don't have 400,000,000 guns in circulation. Let that number sink in for a second.
 
culture issues, single parent families, low income, low IQ, high HS drop out rate, affect instability, poor impulse control
 
BrianFantana said:
Odd that it works in pretty much every country that isn't the US.

ETA: you can hardly argue that the current state of gun law purchasing in the US at large is "gun control". I can still get a gun with a criminal record check and a valid driver's licence in about 15 minutes in half the states in the country.
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You mean it works OK in countries with lower numbers of Blacks and South Americans. The idea of removing guns from law abiding citizens in the US is completely insane.
 
What can you say?

Destruction of the family structure,

Victim complex,

No sense of community or civic responsibility (quote by Derek Vineyard)
 
The Beevers Revenge said:
You mean it works OK in countries with lower numbers of Blacks and South Americans. The idea of removing guns from law abiding citizens in the US is completely insane.
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So withut the blacks and South americans, America could adopt Europe like gun culture, but because these 2 groups are so violent you need guns?
 
BrianFantana said:
Hilarious. The Republican answer, with strong lobbying by the NRA, is, no shit: gun control doesn't work; the people need more guns to stop all the gun violence.

Guns = violence, but guns + guns = less violence.

It's simple calculus, really.
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Chicago has some of the strictly gun laws out there but that's not the problem. They day they need to make the rest of the country have just as strick or tighter gun control. In other words it's not their fault it the rest of the US because they will not do as we say.

The problem is Chicago doesn't have the guts to do what needs to be done because people would scream racism.

Most of the violence is committed by gangs and known criminals.

So what they need is criminal control.

First decriminalization simple drug possessions.

The start giving out real time for criminals, felons in possession of a gun and use of a gun in a crime. Say ten years for having a gun if you are a felony and twenty years is you use it in a crime in addition to the sentence for the crime. No parole not time off for good behavior. You do the full time on gun charges.

Is this going to happen, no because the people that want gun control would rather blame the object and not the person responsible. Also some of these same people would cry racism if they started doing what I stated.

Now there are other things you need to do along with the above to help the people that want and need it in these areas especially the young kids to give them a chance to make a better life. You also have to change the adatude about education.
 
BrianFantana said:
Hilarious. The Republican answer, with strong lobbying by the NRA, is, no shit: gun control doesn't work; the people need more guns to stop all the gun violence.

Guns = violence, but guns + guns = less violence.

It's simple calculus, really.
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seems legit

they just need more guns
 
black killing blacks ... nothing to see here fols.
 
Gervinho said:
I dont know.....guns dont shoot themselves, people do. If I am determined to kill you and I cant find a gun. Im not gonna say oh well. I will find another method. Personally even if I am not a fan of guns.....I rather have a gun to atleast try to shoot the guy who want to shoot me. There is way too many guns in America already to say everyone return your guns. No bad guy is gonna return his.
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Ok, let's look at the facts, shall we:
  1. Guns are used in self-defence in approximately 0.9% of gun victimization crimes (in a study of 14,000 gun crimes): http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743515001188
  2. The number of guns present does not affect overall crime rate. However, the prevalence of gun ownership does correlate directly with the violent crime rate: http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1150&context=law_and_economics; https://www.nap.edu/read/10881/chapter/1#v; https://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_01.html
  3. The rate of gun ownership correlates with an increase of homicide of women by men: http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/vio.2015.0047
  4. The current system of background checks is deficient in a number of ways (the "gun show loophole" is not really a thing): https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf; https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/html/bcft/2009/bcft09st.pdf
  5. States with more rigorous background checks have lower rates of violent crime and gun violence: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222085810_State_background_checks_and_firearms_homicides
  6. Gun buy-back programs have proved ineffective in the past: https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ent_crimes/links/541d58fa0cf203f155bde894.pdf
  7. Sweeping gun control measures nation-wide can have a tremendous impact on lowering rates of gun violence and violent crime: http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2530362
  8. The gun homicide rate in the US is 25.2x higher (2,520% higher) than the average developed country: http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/pdf
Buried in there are the statistics on gun purchasing. Most gun crimes are committed by people who bought their guns not from a dealer; that doesn't mean the "black market", it means a private sale. Most guns used in crimes were initially purchased legally, then changed hands.

I encourage people to root through these for their betterment.
 
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