Elections What to do with the Progressives in the Democrat party?

[Sinister]

I swear a lot of people have no idea how to distinguish a progressive from a centrist Democrat. Kamala, Biden and even Obama are not progressives. They are Centrist Democrats. No one likes Centrist Democrats and no progressives did not cost Kamala the election for what you stated above. Dems lost because they did not run on anything and offered their progressive base nothing. Side note, the Biden Admin tried to pass a border bill in May that was voted down by Senate Repubs.

Anyway, Progressives asked for pretty clear things and Dems brushed them off. I put this in another thread but this describes the kind of Dems you are actually getting because they are not progressives.

I keep saying this but I think what turns off the eligible non-voting electorate the most is the moment a Democrat starts making chummy with the other side. Its audience-capture of the electorate. The DNC doesnt know how to make new voters. I talk to A LOT of young people and most of them who dont get indoctrinated by their parents (or their algorithms) still just honestly believe that voting doesnt matter, that the candidates are the same. And while many of them dont like Trump, "not him" is just not good enough. The threat of theocracy is, danger to their friends is, but that's not being addressed as vehemently as it should be. The threat of fascism is, but Democrat campaign advisors are always on that "dont call Republicans ______" tip and media pundits always spend tons of time on "why did you call him that?" As a deflection from things they actually say and do.

I said this before but if you have a definitive number of the population who dont actually like Republican rule, but also have become disenfranchised, so their notion is "okay who do I vote for to get Republicans out of power?" The second you start with "and I will work across the aisle" you lose them. That's not change. That's assuring the dog-and-pony show continues. That's assuring weakness. Assuring they're going to STILL get what they want.

Look at the eligible electorate in each State and what percentage of them actually votes. Then look at gerrymandering. The US is not actually Red. The majority of the electorate just doesnt give a sh*t.

 

[lowlife]

Some of them are finally starting to wake up from being woke, this is a New York congressman

Anybody ever call me LatinX and ole Pete is coming at them like an obese spider monkey

It's the young generation that's easily influenced that I worry about. I hope they don't spread that Latinx bullshit.

 

[Fergelmince]

She faked bipartisan policies because it's impossible to "galvanize" supporters of Israel with supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Just because she pivoted to more centrist policies for 2 months does not make her a centrist democrat. Calling her centrist is laughable.

• Harris is STILL pro government funded trans surgeries for minors and imprisoned felons.
• Harris is STILL pro WIDE-OPEN Southern border.
• Harris is STILL ANTI Christian.
• Harris is STILL pro DEI mandated in schools and the work place.
• Harris is STILL ANTI expansion of domestic energy.
• Harris is STILL pro Medicare for All.
• Harris is STILL pro defunding the police.
• Harris is STILL anti 2nd amendment.
• Harris is STILL PRO acceleration of amnesty for 30M illegals in the US

Those are all progressive policies, she RAN on them for PRESIDENT in 2019 and never drifted until she was UNDEMOCRATICALLY gifted the DNC nomination for POTUS candidate because she checked off the right boxes.

Running on those policies is TOXIC as viewed by the majority of the American public, her handlers knew it, so they advised her to pivot from these policies until she got in.

 

[My name is]

They're focused on the wrong progression. Nobody wants to walk past drugged out homeless people just to see tampons in the boys bathroom

 

[aerius]

Here's the way I see it. There's centrists who basically want to maintain the status quo and maybe steal a few fence sitters off the opposing side. Nothing wrong with that if the status quo is working to the benefit of the people, but this hasn't been the case for well, pretty much my entire life. Then we have the progressives, they believe that things need to go in a better direction, for instance, actual healthcare reform, fixing education, making housing more affordable, and fair treatment & opportunities for minorities & other disadvantaged people. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and I'd argue that they're actually the most important group since a lot of the actual progress in our society comes from them.

Finally, we have the lunatics, these are the ones who go all in on the DEI, gender identity, defund the police, and all that other extremist shit. I'm not sure what to do with them to be honest, on one hand they do alienate voters with their loony extremist viewpoints, however, they're also quite handy when it's time to protest & riot. I'd probably distance the party from them as much as possible while making just enough token statements to keep them on board in case we need to riot.

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Your average American wants nothing to do with the progressives, they are a cancer. Democrats need to stay away from them as Republicans need to stay away from people on the far right.

 

[ChosenOne]

So much misreading of these election results which was NOT, as is being suggested a big vote for Trump and WAS, a continuation of what we have seen world wide, the since Trump came to power in 2016, a rejection of 'incumbency' and 'status quo politicians'.

That is why Trump won in 2016, and Brexit won, and all across the world you saw the incumbents rejected for whatever was NEXT.

This campaign, Harris team did their best to paint Trump as the incumbent but they failed on that, and that is why they lost.

it is also why who ever runs in the Magat Party next will lose and why they will lose the midterms.

People are sick of the status quo and despite election promises, seeing very little delivered, and the only thing they can do is keep kicking those in power until they get the message, that the status quo is no longer acceptable.

The biggest threat to the status quo, of the growing Oligarch economy, was ALWAYS a Trump like figure on the left who cribbed a lot of the Bernie type popularims on the left, and united the left and right populist 'Working Man' agenda. That is what Trump basically promised in 2016, but got booted when he proved empty and just another typical Oligarch supporting politician.

And that is why the Oligarch class think tanks are so focused on the culture wars, as the way to keep the populist left and populist right from uniting. And they are winning. the key to that has been the Co-opting of the Supreme Court and them increasing Gerrymandering laws. Gerrymandering ensures politicians have to appeal to the worst elements of their extreme bases, whereas without Gerrymandering the politicians, in most districts have to appeal to the centrists. The SC move to allow ever more gerrymandering has been very deliberate.

 

[Lycandroid]

She faked bipartisan policies because it's impossible to "galvanize" supporters of Israel with supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Just because she pivoted to more centrist policies for 2 months does not make her a centrist democrat. Calling her centrist is laughable.

• Harris is STILL pro government funded trans surgeries for minors and imprisoned felons.
• Harris is STILL pro WIDE-OPEN Southern border.
• Harris is STILL ANTI Christian.
• Harris is STILL pro DEI mandated in schools and the work place.
• Harris is STILL ANTI expansion of domestic energy.
• Harris is STILL pro Medicare for All.
• Harris is STILL pro defunding the police.
• Harris is STILL anti 2nd amendment.
• Harris is STILL PRO acceleration of amnesty for 30M illegals in the US

Those are all progressive policies, she RAN on them for PRESIDENT in 2019 and never drifted until she was UNDEMOCRATICALLY gifted the DNC nomination for POTUS candidate because she checked off the right boxes.

Running on those policies is TOXIC as viewed by the majority of the American public, her handlers knew it, so they advised her to pivot from these policies until she got in.

I wouldn't say Medicare for all is a progressive policy at all. Nothing progressive about catching up to the rest of the world. Everything else I agree 100%

 

[UberHere]

I think they should form their own party. They’re impossible to satisfy with compromise or realistic approaches to complex problems. Let’s see how they fair on their own. Problem is if they’re successful then they’ll just become another corporate establishment party and they’ll stop being progressive.

 

[Fergelmince]

I wouldn't say Medicare for all is a progressive policy at all. Nothing progressive about catching up to the rest of the world. Everything else I agree 100%

Well, we all have a personal take on things. However, generally speaking, Medicare for all is considered progressive by American voters and the democrat party as well.

"The Congressional Progressive Caucus has long championed health care as a right, not a privilege, with a history of members introducing single-payer legislation. Today’s Medicare For All Act, introduced by CPC chair Representative Pramila Jayapal (WA-07) and Representative Debbie Dingell (MI-12) in both the 116th and 117th Congress, is the most comprehensive Medicare for All bill yet, providing a clear roadmap to achieving single-payer healthcare. It is co-sponsored by 120 members of Congress in the House; similar legislation was introduced in the Senate last Congress by CPC co-founder Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT). "

Congressional Progressive Caucus Celebrates Medicare For All Hearing

raskin.house.gov

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

they're so fucking far out, so out of touch, there's nothing they can do.

total fucking losers.

time to heal.

 

[Confucamus]

How can you separate the two at this point? The Dems went all in with the more radical elements of their base, all in the name of stopping Trump. The country rejected them. They can point fingers at each other now all they want, but they are all complicit in their failure.

 

[UberHere]

They need to banish them make progressives form their own party.

Democrats need to be populist which means closed borders, stop defending criminal behavior and not allowing men to compete against women in sports.

As much as I disagree with @Darkavius , he does make a very valid point. These are what progressives were given by democrats which all fall under the cultural umbrella.

Moderate democrats who were put off by this were stupid and thought “durr it’s just cultural stuff nobody cares” yet it cost them the election.

 

[Captain Tenneal]

I think the Progressives cost the Democrats the election. Their stance on the open border and the trans/gender issue is too off putting to a lot of people.

They're a small part of the democrats but they are the loudest. but even though they are small, the democrats need their vote. Im not sure what the dems plan is in the future. If they veer off the tiniest bit from the progressive line, they will lose their vote

I feel ya bud

You all should make them start their own party

 

[ferrisjso]

How can you separate the two at this point? The Dems went all in with the more radical elements of their base, all in the name of stopping Trump. The country rejected them. They can point fingers at each other now all they want, but they are all complicit in their failure.

No they didn't. Most leftists hated Kamala. Kamala legit said shed change nothing except to give Republicans more of a voice. Yeah the Dems went "all in with the more radical elements of their base". Imagine if Trump said his biggest regret was making Democrats not feel heard you all would lose your fucking minds.

This is what y'all do you project about how your opponents with no power have power and it needs to be curtailed that way the country moves even further into hard fasism.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

On the other hand, Kamala had a late start and stuck to rallies which is good. But in the age of social media, interviews and unfortunately podcasts are important too. She should have prioritized those to showcase more of who she is. I think she shoulda went on Rogan or even Theo Von. She had everything to gain there and nothing to lose.

In hindsight, she had nothing to lose since she did so poorly, but at the time they were trying to keep her away from mics without teleprompter because they thought she was ahead.

 

[UberHere]

Here's the way I see it. There's centrists who basically want to maintain the status quo and maybe steal a few fence sitters off the opposing side. Nothing wrong with that if the status quo is working to the benefit of the people, but this hasn't been the case for well, pretty much my entire life. Then we have the progressives, they believe that things need to go in a better direction, for instance, actual healthcare reform, fixing education, making housing more affordable, and fair treatment & opportunities for minorities & other disadvantaged people. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and I'd argue that they're actually the most important group since a lot of the actual progress in our society comes from them.

Finally, we have the lunatics, these are the ones who go all in on the DEI, gender identity, defund the police, and all that other extremist shit. I'm not sure what to do with them to be honest, on one hand they do alienate voters with their loony extremist viewpoints, however, they're also quite handy when it's time to protest & riot. I'd probably distance the party from them as much as possible while making just enough token statements to keep them on board in case we need to riot.

The problem with progressives is that it includes all that looney stuff you mentioned.

 

[Darkavius]

Here's the way I see it. There's centrists who basically want to maintain the status quo and maybe steal a few fence sitters off the opposing side. Nothing wrong with that if the status quo is working to the benefit of the people, but this hasn't been the case for well, pretty much my entire life. Then we have the progressives, they believe that things need to go in a better direction, for instance, actual healthcare reform, fixing education, making housing more affordable, and fair treatment & opportunities for minorities & other disadvantaged people. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and I'd argue that they're actually the most important group since a lot of the actual progress in our society comes from them.

Finally, we have the lunatics, these are the ones who go all in on the DEI, gender identity, defund the police, and all that other extremist shit. I'm not sure what to do with them to be honest, on one hand they do alienate voters with their loony extremist viewpoints, however, they're also quite handy when it's time to protest & riot. I'd probably distance the party from them as much as possible while making just enough token statements to keep them on board in case we need to riot.

If Dems actually did many of the progressive things you suggest then I think the "lunatics" would buy into the party. It's no different with Repubs. There are those Repubs that believe abortion should never happen under any circumstances. God should be in schools and all that extreme stuff but they come along with more moderate Repubs. Why? Because the vast majority are not going to vote for that crap. The same I think would happen if Dems actually implemented a progressive policy.

 

[Zazen]

I’m tired of them too. When something doesn’t go their way they cry and stay home and vote against their own interest or don’t vote at all. They are not reliable and they just push people in the other direction. They constantly bad mouth democrats while ignoring how much worse republicans are. I guarantee audiences like Hasan’s just stayed home on Tuesday because Kamala didn’t end the war the second they wanted it to. Even Bernie has to call them out. I think we only won in 2020 because of Covid. It united progressives and liberals

 

[oldshadow]

Do with them?

Why they should listen to them and go much further to the left and democrats will surely win the next election. Well according to them thats the reason they lost this time.