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What is with the Khabib hate recently?

I consider guys with more proven records against the very best for long periods time ahead of a guy who faced a handful of top fighters then retired.

No other GOAT candidate has over 50% of their wins over guys with no Wikipedia page.

Adesanya has a better resume than Khabib. Don't even need to talk about guys like Jones, GSP, Fedor and Silva.
I consider who I deem to be the best actual fighter with the greatest moment to moment domination the GOAT.

Not people I consider lesser fighters who got their asses kicked a lot and stuck around longer to collect more names on their resume.
 
Probably the main reason is just trolling because many Khabib fana are easily provoked. Its like kicking an ant hill.
 
Him being retired has everything to do with it because he is no longer even an active fighter, coach or champ at the gym. Why does Javier still say Khabib is better than Islam for instance when Islam is the current LW champ? Shit Islam still says Khabib is better than him.

Because Islam has not yet surpassed him and Islam doesn't mind sharing the shine. He doesn't see Khabib as his competition, so he doesn't mind being second best for now, and he also probably feels he needs to earn it first, before being called better than Khabib. It also still reflects great on the gym to call Khabib the GOAT. He is still a product of their gym, being retired doesn't change that..


All of this well _____ is probably saying this just because ______ reason is

it's just based on experience witth fighters talking about teammates and experience with people in general You should always be aware of biases and motivations behind actions, lest you want to be deceived. Look at how AKA and especially DC talked about Luke, while he is clearly far past his prime. And ask yourself how objective DC is when assessing Luke.

pretty weak in the face of the facts, which is that everyone around him consistently says Khabib is the best which is not very hard to believe when considering he's the only 29-0 without getting scratched in MMA history.

I'm not saying Khabib isn't great, bud. He is great. It's just that you don't seem to be aware of the biases of people if you think that you can make up for the early retirement and therefore lack of elite wins compared to other GOAT candidates, with anecdotes and statements from teammates and training footage.

If someone gets 'ragdolled' in sparring, you have no idea of the context of that clip in which he got ragdolled. Maybe the guy doing the ragdolling was completely fresh and the guy getting ragdolled was already training for an hour and might have been completely sore from doing strength training before. Maybe the guy who got ragdolled just wanted to try something new, for practice, but it didn't work out, because it's still new to him and the other guy could capatilize on that. While in an actual, real fight, most fighters are not going to use any move they aren't familiar and comfortable with.

You have to know the context of the facts, to know how to interpret the facts. Otherwise, you can't logically attach any strong conclussions to said facts. Training clips rarely, if ever, come with reliable context. And biases are definitely always part of the context that need to be taken into account.
 
Because Islam has not yet surpassed him and Islam doesn't mind sharing the shine. He doesn't see Khabib as his competition, so he doesn't mind being second best for now, and he also probably feels he needs to earn it first, before being called better than Khabib. It also still reflects great on the gym to call Khabib the GOAT. He is still a product of their gym, being retired doesn't change that..




it's just based on experience witth fighters talking about teammates and experience with people in general You should always be aware of biases and motivations behind actions, lest you want to be deceived. Look at how AKA and especially DC talked about Luke, while he is clearly far past his prime. And ask yourself how objective DC is when assessing Luke.



I'm not saying Khabib isn't great, bud. He is great. It's just that you don't seem to be aware of the biases of people if you think that you can make up for the early retirement and therefore lack of elite wins compared to other GOAT candidates, with anecdotes and statements from teammates and training footage.

If someone gets 'ragdolled' in sparring, you have no idea of the context of that clip in which he got ragdolled. Maybe the guy doing the ragdolling was completely fresh and the guy getting ragdolled was already training for an hour and might have been completely sore from doing strength training before. Maybe the guy who got ragdolled just wanted to try something new, for practice, but it didn't work out, because it's still new to him and the other guy could capatilize on that. While in an actual, real fight, most fighters are not going to use any move they aren't familiar and comfortable with.

You have to know the context of the facts, to know how to interpret the fact. Otherwise, you can't logically attach any strong conclussions to said facts. Training clips rarely, if ever, come with reliable context. And biases are definitely always part of the context that need to be taken into account.
In all the clips I've seen of Khabib he's the one doing all the ragdolling, which coincides with what Fitch said about him always being the hammer, and what Belal said about him being the Micheal Jordan of MMA, and what Islam said about nobody being able to stop Khabib in the cage even him, and what Javier said about him never losing a spar, and what his career reflected with him barely losing a round.
 
I consider who I deem to be the best actual fighter with the greatest moment to moment domination the GOAT.

Not people I consider lesser fighters who got their asses kicked a lot and stuck around longer to collect more names on their resume.
That's just great. We can agree to disagree then.
 
Its Sherdog 90% of the posts here on the heavies are hating/dickriding some fighter, if you are looking for nuance this is definitely the wrong place.

Khabib isn't unique in that sense either, people on here just have a hard on for arguing with each other and use the fighters as a vessel.
 
In all the clips I've seen of Khabib he's the one doing all the ragdolling, which coincides with what Fitch said about him always being the hammer, and what Belal said about him being the Micheal Jordan of MMA, and what Islam said about nobody being able to stop Khabib in the cage even him, and what Javier said about him never losing a spar, and what his career reflected with him barely losing a round.
I am pretty sure non-strking 2012 Nurmagomedov that just joined AKA lost plenty of rounds
Main AKA LW at that time, Josh Thomson, was way above non-striking Nurmagomedov. You cannot struggle with Tibau and win all your rounds with Thomson, Fitch, other elite WWs and LWs
 
I am pretty sure non-strking 2012 Nurmagomedov that just joined AKA lost plenty of rounds
Main AKA LW at that time, Josh Thomson, was way above non-striking Nurmagomedov. You cannot struggle with Tibau and win all your rounds with Thomson, Fitch, other elite WWs and LWs
Their rounds include grappling and Tibau has far better TDD than any of the wrestlers you mentioned. They didn't call him The Wall for nothing.
 
I guess we should listen to Conor fans on forums and not the actual GOAT's themselves like Jones who have Khabib in his Top 5 all time despite his lack of title defences because they can see how damn good he is.

There do seem to be some people who pick apart his record or claim that he was a great “what if” because he left before he amassed the same number of title fights as a Silva or St.-Pierre.

But I think many people see it the way I view it. Yeah maybe he didn’t get the same number of accolades like successful defenses. Maybe he didn’t fight the lightweight contenders beyond the Gaethje/Poirier generation who *might* have posed more of a challenge. But I don’t think anyone who was paying attention is asking how great was Khabib really? The only question was how long would he remain that great. Because everyone slows down with age. Some guys remain really good till they’re 40 like Glover. Others hit a wall much earlier and then it’s bad loss after bad loss when they are matched up with younger contenders.

And I think there’s something to be said for the fact that Khabib left before any of that. Great for health/longevity and really adds to the mystique of his career. Sure it would have been cool to see him fights guys like Charles and Dariush, but there is no doubt in my mind that he was a phenomenal fighter.

People for some reason seem to downplay Gaethje and Poirier wins, but look how much of a beast Poirier has been over the years and look at what Gaethje just did to Fiziev, a guy touted as a next wave lightweight contender. Conor was a huge win at the time as well.
 
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There seems to be a trend recently of some sort of idea that Khabib was overrated because he never fought anybody good or moved up in weight.
Never moved to 170:
Several greats never moved up in weight, DJ, Silva never won LHW belt. Jon Jones was considered the GOAT by many before his move to HW due to his domination. This is never discussed that they never moved up or won a belt above their weight class to bring down their legacy.
"But he was a weight bully, 170 would be his normal weight class anyway"
He may of been in the 190s or even 200s in his prime. But on fight night he was never more than 185. Which is about what Poirier and Tony Ferguson weight.
Didn't fight best opponents/clear division:
The biggest names he didn't fight during this time were Alvarez, Ferguson, Barboza, Cerrone, Oliviera, Hooker, Lee, Dariush. Ferguson and Barboza wouldve gotten wrestled. Alvarez would put up a good fight I think but lost the title shot when he lost to Poirier and the left. Cerrone was old, Oliviera only had 1 ranked win I believe and the rest weren't ranked high enough.
Maybe you don't consider him MMA GOAT but it is unquestionable he is top 5. Khabib had done enough and knew he could keep fighting and keep winning but wasn't in it for the money and didn't want to take unnecessary damage. To act like he ran from anybody is delusional.
Can this idea officially be declared debunked?

But Jones, Silva and DJ all moved up, not a great argument
 
Lol cry more.

It's people starting to think and being objective about what he actually achieved.

When you get same old champs who are happy to sit in their division and accumulate wins over lessor opponents to fool the sherdog base with their "streaks". And then you get the likes of connor, volk, izzy who are happy to put a streak on the line for the sake of competition and challenge and go up in weight.... then you see what the real levels are.

He did quit cause he was afraid. Afraid of thr weight cut he'd barely been fighting he had what 30 fights? Izzy has 4x that.

Won the belt from AL aiquinta and yes dominated the top 4, but that was a mere blink in his career.

Hes great obv, but not even a top 10
A "blink" that wreaked havoc on ye
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Lol cry more.

It's people starting to think and being objective about what he actually achieved.

When you get same old champs who are happy to sit in their division and accumulate wins over lessor opponents to fool the sherdog base with their "streaks". And then you get the likes of connor, volk, izzy who are happy to put a streak on the line for the sake of competition and challenge and go up in weight.... then you see what the real levels are.

He did quit cause he was afraid. Afraid of thr weight cut he'd barely been fighting he had what 30 fights? Izzy has 4x that.

Won the belt from AL aiquinta and yes dominated the top 4, but that was a mere blink in his career.

Hes great obv, but not even a top 10
That YELLOW looks good on ye, keed
 
Khabib did OK in the UFC.

Ya know I made this same comment about someone and it got deleted. I think that somehow this has come to be acknowledged as bashing by the mods. Fucking wierd innit?
 
Yeah, unfortunately you’re going to need more than four title defenses to be in the top five pound for pound. To say a guy can do so, and be above people in the double digits is absolutely insane.
Taking little damage and dominating— those are factors that can be considered, and give you an edge over people with similar numbers. But they aren’t going to put you ahead of people who have more than double the top ten wins and more than double the title defenses.
There’s no bias or hatred in saying that. Those are simply facts.
 
The anti Russian sentiment is very strong right now. That can’t be helping him.
 
It s because he embodies the ongoing humiliation of flakestyle wrestlers by superior Dagestanis.
 
They hate him because he never lost. They wanted him so badly to loose. Because he didn’t loose. They want to create a ‘loss’.
They invent the following ‘losses’:

1. He didn’t go up. He is a weight bully.
2. He doesn’t have enough title defences.
3. He never faced a real grappler
4. His opponents were not that good
5. He was lucky that Conrat was not in his best shape.

Khabib is so good. They have to invent a ‘loss’ that doesn’t exist. That’s a confirmation of his greatness.
 
Who fucking knows he’s not the GOAT of LW apparently but I guess BJ Penn who’s
10-5-1 is Lw Goat though
 
What do you mean "recently"?

People have been calling for Khabib's head ever since he walked away from the UFC unblemished as the most dominant fighter of all time, especially after he snuffed Dana's son.

The millions of Conor fans across the internet moved on from being a fan of Conor to trying to besmirch Khabib in GOAT discussions because he left them with no one to cheer for.

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