International What is the real reason for Trump's tariffs?

[EL CORINTHIAN]

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Trump has allied himself with America's enemies and is doing everything he can to damage its allies.

Elaborate. What's the plan.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

- Bring america to a economic crtiis, so him, Elon and other rich, veri, very rich opeople can buy everything, from car factorys, to buildings, for the price of peanuts.

 

[Hdfi]

The main reason in my opinion is for Trump to set the table as a "tough negotiator" who's willing to do this kind of stuff on a whim if he doesn't get his way.

He needed to set some examples in order for the rest of the world to get the point. I guess he figured he'd get away with it if he did it to Canada and Mexico.

And he was right. Canada and Mexico can cry about it but they are not doing anything that can actually save them from taxation.

Panama got screwed and now their canal is owned by Blackrock.

Time has proven that Trump was right about these cuck vassal states.

 

[avenue94]

I agree that general stupidy is usually a good explanation for things that make no sense. But given the fact that Trump had no political or law experience before being elected president... It's highly likely that he didn't even know the president has power to set tarriffs unilaterally

In other words it's highly likey this tariff idea wasn't his. So his own ignorance or stupidity doesn't fully explain the true motive behind the tariff plan.

Possibly, but at the same time Trump views the president as something closer akin to a strongman. He may have just assumed that he has the power to levy tariffs as he pleases.

 

[Deaths Head]

I agree that general stupidy is usually a good explanation for things that make no sense. But given the fact that Trump had no political or law experience before being elected president... It's highly likely that he didn't even know the president has power to set tarriffs unilaterally

In other words it's highly likey this tariff idea wasn't his. So his own ignorance or stupidity doesn't fully explain the true motive behind the tariff plan.

The president does have power to do Tarriffs if it’s a state of emergency,the loop hole there is he needed a reason ,the made up reason was Fentynol coming in from Canada . I’m not sure how one doesn’t have to prove it first ? Crazy .

 

[lowlife]

I think the long term goal is to use tariffs to force the other nations to eliminate their tariffs on us.

The result: Free Trade.

Example: When Germany realizes that they cannot sell their cars in the US market, they will lower their tariffs on us. Then US automakers can finally sell US cars and trucks in Germany.

So in this scenario our goal and "win" condition is to force free trade between us and everyone else? And we will achieve this through force with tariffs? How feasible do you think that is, realistically?

 

[N13]

So in this scenario our goal and "win" condition is to force free trade between us and everyone else? And we will achieve this through force with tariffs? How feasible do you think that is, realistically?

Well, the EU is already working on reducing their 10% tariffs on the US. We charge them 2.5 now, but on April 2 it goes up to 10%.

Prior to that I predict that both sides will negotiate a win win deal.

I just found this: https://www.ft.com/content/bed348ee-3e05-47f6-8a83-563286b8b99e

 

[lowlife]

Well, the EU is already working on reducing their 10% tariffs on the US. We charge them 2.5 now, but on April 2 it goes up to 10%.

Prior to that I predict that both sides will negotiate a win win deal.

I just found this: https://www.ft.com/content/bed348ee-3e05-47f6-8a83-563286b8b99e

So not free trade but a renegotiation of existing tariffs? Personally I heed the opinion of economists when it comes to things like tariffs, but I guess time will tell. I can't read that article unless you have another link, asking to sign up.

 

[N13]

So not free trade but a renegotiation of existing tariffs? Personally I heed the opinion of economists when it comes to things like tariffs, but I guess time will tell. I can't read that article unless you have another link, asking to sign up.

In my usual research, I'm finding illusions everywhere. Best to track current events and the emerging realities; think for ourselves.

We only need to wait about 2 months to evaluate the tariffs. Popcorn, soda and a comfy seat.

Probably will not result in 100% free trade, but it will improve the situation. Plus, Trump wants the cashish to flow into the External Revenue System. I wonder how much $$$

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I think the long term goal is to use tariffs to force the other nations to eliminate their tariffs on us.

The result: Free Trade.

Example: When Germany realizes that they cannot sell their cars in the US market, they will lower their tariffs on us. Then US automakers can finally sell US cars and trucks in Germany.

Nobody in Europe wants shitty US cars though

 

[N13]

Nobody in Europe wants shitty US cars though

Especially when a Ford costs more than a Mercedes.

But Europe wants US energy imports so they do not depend on Russia for it.

 

[avenue94]

In my usual research, I'm finding illusions everywhere. Best to track current events and the emerging realities; think for ourselves.

We only need to wait about 2 months to evaluate the tariffs. Popcorn, soda and a comfy seat.

Probably will not result in 100% free trade, but it will improve the situation. Plus, Trump wants the cashish to flow into the External Revenue System. I wonder how much $$$

Its not a lot of money. Tariffs are a terrible way to fund the government.

 

[N13]

Its not a lot of money. Tariffs are a terrible way to fund the government.

I'm withholding judgement until it actually happens. How much $$$ ?, I'm not sure.

 

[avenue94]

I'm withholding judgement until it actually happens.

What judgement is there to withhold? We know how much stuff America imports, you act like it's a mystery. The US imported 4 trillion dollars worth of goods and services last year. If we took the absolute pie in the sky best case scenario of 25% tariff on everything, we get $1 trillion in revenue.

The federal government alone takes in about $5 trillion in tax revenue.

 

[b-hop]

What judgement is there to withhold? We know how much stuff America imports, you act like it's a mystery. The US imported 4 trillion dollars worth of goods and services last year. If we took the absolute pie in the sky best case scenario of 25% tariff on everything, we get $1 trillion in revenue.

The federal government alone takes in about $5 trillion in tax revenue.

That makes a big difference, for context that's the budget of Britain.

 

[Michaelangelo]

Stock market manipulation

Absurd valuations needed correction for better entries

 

[N13]

What judgement is there to withhold? We know how much stuff America imports, you act like it's a mystery. The US imported 4 trillion dollars worth of goods and services last year. If we took the absolute pie in the sky best case scenario of 25% tariff on everything, we get $1 trillion in revenue.

The federal government alone takes in about $5 trillion in tax revenue.

Total US imports in 2024 were 3.35 Trillion.

An average of 10% is 335 billion a year which is a lot of cash, but it does not solve the problems. There are also beneficial secondary effects like build your factories here to avoid the tariffs. This will create a lot of good jobs for US citizens. This is already happening with some huge foreign investments.

The mystery is what will happen in the next few months. My crystal ball is not as good as yours.

Also, you say 1 Trillion with a 25% tariff across the board (not going to happen), but that is more than we spend on military or Medicare or social security or interest on the national debt. Wow.

Almost all of the nations that export goods to the US will be knocking on Trump's door to negotiate a new deal in the near future. Those that do not, FAFO.

 

[MMA IAN]

It's none of the above.

But all of them make sense when you understand Trump's true motivation in life.

Trump's primary motivation whether he's promoting policy, whether he's doing a television, show an interview, a debate or anything else in his life is to sow chaos hatred and division.

Trump is a sower of chaos, hatred and division because he's so morally, despicable and evil and feels that way all the time within himself, his motive is always to spread hatred, chaos, and division.

Once you understand Trump in this way, everything he does makes perfect sense even when those things seem to contradict each other or his stated goals..... because you understand the primary underlying motive.

I would say secondary motives for him are to deeply harm certain specific people (deeply related to his primary motives) to get richer himself or to become more popular or look better himself. I think those are his secondary motives.

So with Canada and Mexico and other world allies he gets to hurt people that he hates and he hates them because he's not their equal and he cannot exist in relationship with them without revealing himself to be a despicable base inferior human being. Trump hates all of our allies world leaders for the same reason. He has seething hatred for them because he will forever feel inferior and broken and will do everything he can to harm people he sees and resets as better than him.

His general move towards allying with strong men, dictators and thugs is because he feels more at home and more in good company around them and less intimidated by them. They themselves also being despicable people.


Trump's place is as a shyster car salesman, dishonest land developer or real estate mogul and the runner of various scams and cons. He's a powerful guy but that's his lane.

He should have never been put into the office of presidency. He has no place there and he is completely and utterly unfit to be there.

 

[Gas121]

Trump genuinely thinks America is being ripped off. This is a game of cat and mouse. He is expecting everybody to roll over and fold to his demands.

 

[N13]

Trump genuinely thinks America is being ripped off. This is a game of cat and mouse. He is expecting everybody to roll over and fold to his demands.

And they will, most of them. Those who refuse get the horns. The guy is ruthless for better or worse.