Social What is the "liberal elite" and why is academic so liberal?

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

The research that has gone into correlating social liberalism with education has nothing to do with present left wing ideology.

I took a questionnaire used by one of these studies to determine whether someone is a social liberal or a social conservative. Some of the questions were:

1) Should gay couples be allowed to get married?
2) Should marijuana be legalized?
3) Should women be allowed to work? (LOL)

I gave the 'socially liberal' answer for every single question even though I am in actuality socially right leaning.

The following questions were not part of the questionnaire as they have nothing to do with liberalism:

1) Do you support the concept of equity?
2) Do you support compelled pronouns?

“Compelled pronouns” lol

 

[F1980]

Mainly social sciences have taken over and "hard" science professors have to keep their mouths shut



A lot of "fake" science is talked about here. One even went to jail for lying about race and IQ study.

 

[nhbbear]

I have often wondered the same about Hollywood. Just looking at talk show comedians, the left has Colbert, Stewart, Oliver, douche that replaced Stewart-can’t think of his name, Noah something, and others. The right has…..crowder?

Stupid people
Conclude that as you become more educated, you become more liberal. I think that liberal people just tend to be attracted to academia. I am saying this as someone who is neither left nor right. I have a masters degree, so I am educated, may go for doctorate some day, but I am definitely not a liberal.

 

[nhbbear]

Economics has the most conservatives of the social sciences. It also has the highest average IQ. Engineering I think has the highest proportion of conservatives of any faculty. Also among the highest average IQs of any discipline.

Funny enough, although academia does tend to be very left wing, there is a rather inverse correlation between how left wing a discipline is and the average IQ of the graduates from that discipline.

That last part is a very interesting and valid point. Can’t think of too many smart English majors from my graduating class.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Yeah. But I think the extreme left and extreme right need to just like, chill out, man. Being passionate for something is good, but not when it's to the point of obsessive rage.

Sure. I don't see how it relates to my post, though.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Consuming more academia doesn’t make someone switch to a liberal or become more liberal. It’s all the other subjects that push that way by design also the campuses themselves. America Colleges are the most woke institutions on earth

Like I said, it makes people more consistent, which usually means more consistently liberal just because liberalism tends to be more developed (rightism tends to be more of a mood).

 

[Scheme]

Because there is a huge stigma to being conservative in many environments. Universities, Hollywood, big tech, etc.

I remember at a previous company we had a general slack channel. Every day people would post left wing videos, things like diversity, the environment is dead in 12 years, how DEI was the most important thing in the world and social justice shit. Then one day someone posted a video of Thomas Sowell. It wasn't a particularly offensive video at all, just mainly talking about taking self responsibility (no mention of race or gender even). He was probably attacked by 30 people and the comment section was so vile that the CEO of the company had to come in and tell people to stop attacking him and that we needed to respect other people's opinions.

Ever wonder why no one dares to draw Muhammad?

 

[Fake Doctor]

@Damien Karras - edited my response in to the above post. Interesting topic that I've put some thought into in the last few years

 

[Belaya Smert]

They don’t work for a living they don’t have to exist in the real world. /thread

 

[Lubaolong]

The most obvious reasons:

-Academics tend to encourage curiosity, critical thinking, and open-mindedness, which are traits associated with liberal ideologies. People with higher levels of education tend to lean more liberal or progressive on social issues.
-Some fields of study that focus on the human condition, social justice, equality will most likely produce/attract those with liberal views.
-Good universities are typically in urban areas. Urban areas tend to be liberal. People are influenced by the environments they are in.

 

[tastaylvr]

Economics has the most conservatives of the social sciences. It also has the highest average IQ. Engineering I think has the highest proportion of conservatives of any faculty. Also among the highest average IQs of any discipline.

Funny enough, although academia does tend to be very left wing, there is a rather inverse correlation between how left wing a discipline is and the average IQ of the graduates from that discipline.

economics is a basic degree lol

it is as cookie cutter as an arts degree lol

high average iq lol

 

[tastaylvr]

There are a lot of people with high degrees that are less intelligent than people who never graduated high school.

lol this is pure ducking delusion

imagine thinking someone who can’t even finish high school being more intelligent than anyone who has finished university

I smashed high school without ever concentrating

university is a totally different beast

And don’t give me this horse shit about some random genius not finishing high school to prove your stupid point

 

[Bojka]

economics is a basic degree lol

it is as cookie cutter as an arts degree lol

high average iq lol

It has the highest average IQ of the social sciences. Part of the reason for this is its gender ratio (71% of econ students are male). Male University students have higher average IQs since mediocre male students are less likely to attend post-secondary.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The social sciences tend to have more left leaning professors, that's true. However some academic fields do attract a fair share of conservative thinkers such as economics and philosophy.

Economics professors are not *as* left-leaning as professors in many other fields, but it's still 5-1 Democrats to Republicans. Law is also more balanced than other fields, but still about 9-1.

Again, people don't like to say it, but it's just unavoidable: It's basically impossible to believe in letting reality guide your thinking and remain in good standing with today's GOP if you're paying attention.

 

[emefer]

by wealth status…

Worthington’s Law

 

[tenniswhiz]

Math, physics, engineering, philosophy, and economics are all rather close. The male dominated majors tend to have higher average IQs. They also tend to be more conservative.

https://randalolson.com/2014/06/25/average-iq-of-students-by-college-major-and-gender-ratio/

The most left wing majors have barely above average IQs.

Those majors will be taken over soon enough

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/biostatistics/2020/09/kareem-carr-explains-why-225/

 

[BIKES!]

The left is a global cult inherently racist, hell bent on dividing nations and brainwashing NPCs into thinking they are special just for being born.

The fact 10M+ braindead entitled racists sloths voted for Biden tells you all you need to know about the leftist overlords and how strong they’re propaganda. Before we know it they will take a page out of Stalin and Lenin and weaponize the justice system to arrest former POTUS and all opponents…

 

[tramendous]

Because thats where the socialists focused more of their efforts on and being blatantly conservative is bad for your career while blatantly leftist gets you promoted more.

 

[Jack V Savage]

The most obvious reasons:

-Academics tend to encourage curiosity, critical thinking, and open-mindedness, which are traits associated with liberal ideologies. People with higher levels of education tend to lean more liberal or progressive on social issues.
-Some fields of study that focus on the human condition, social justice, equality will most likely produce/attract those with liberal views.
-Good universities are typically in urban areas. Urban areas tend to be liberal. People are influenced by the environments they are in.

I think your third point isn't directly right (in the sense that people are just influenced by the lean of the region), but there might be something to it related to what Joe Henrich calls "WEIRD psychology." He makes the point that people from rich, Western, industrialized democracies are psychologically very different from people in other parts of the world. He doesn't really get into this in his work that I can recall, but a lot of the differences between the West and other parts of the world mirror differences between urban and rural areas within the West (so that urbanites are more "Western" than the common clay of the new West/people of the land), and people with the aptitude and inclination for elite educations are more Western still.

Another factor is that a lot of Republicans today kind of delude themselves into thinking the right is the new left or vice versa ("I'm actually a classical liberal"). That's not really sustainable if you actually learn about this stuff and take it seriously (there are rightist academics, but they're more likely to squarely face what rightism means--think Vermeule).

 

[boxingskills]

Mainly social sciences have taken over and "hard" science professors have to keep their mouths shut



A lot of "fake" science is talked about here. One even went to jail for lying about race and IQ study.

We can use Rogan as a way to get a backhanded answer to the OP.