What exactly would you have done better than Beltran??

[ejazahmednit]

The delusion in believing a soul saw anything wrong before slow motion replay is strong here

I didn't know people with such slow image processing could use the internet

 

[Hymen Crusher]

When a fighter repeatedly is saying they are getting eye poked stop and check. If it's fake more then once he can deduct a point from that fighter too for stalling. Same as spitting a mouth piece. Kape is fast he isn't faster then the eye can track. He is a regular person who was slapping a dude in the face.

 

[The-AxeMurderer]

Kape isn't that fucking fast.

We all know something wasn't right.

Even the stoppage was terrible.

It's weird to defend bad officiating.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

a near-poke is not a poke.

 

[Skarsgard]

a near-poke is not a poke.

Kape is really good at grazing the eye with his thumb when he throws hooks. That's a borderline foul. The pawing stab at the eyes was not borderline and was clear as day.

 

[evergreenrider]

I wouldn't have sided up with organized criminal activity.

 

[Substance Abuse]

You mean as in not calling an eyepoke when the action is so fast you didn’t see it? You mean doing his job in calling a timeout when the first one was conplained about? Do you mean continuing the fight when they waved it off? You mean doing by making a judgement call that a guy getting beat up was looking for a way out and not calling the second one you didn’t see? What part wasn’t doing his job? Instant replay creates severe delusions that somehow what you saw in slow ass hindsight the ref can see in real time

He's been inconsistent for years, whether it be early or late stoppages. I understand it's a spur of the moment type job, but I refuse to excuse his ineptitude. He has more than enough experience to make the right call. While I can see your perspective on the eye rake, it's plain as day that he was intelligently defending himself by being aware of incoming offense, even if running away from it is frowned upon on the boards. It was a shit stoppage. Beltran needs to be better, as do the majority of refs the UFC uses through the local athletic commissions. ACs need to hold them accountable.

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

I think it's fair to say people on here wouldn't have done better in real time than Beltran. Where you lost the plot is that Beltran is the referee so it's his profession. He's supposed to be very good at his job if not great. I expect my mechanic to know more about cars than I do and if he messes up a job, he will hear it from me.

We can keep pretending there isn't a problem in the UFC with eye pokes and fouls in general. I see the narratives by UFC employees about how fast Kape is. Yes, he's very fast and he's talented in general. To pretend that the eye pokes didn't at least contribute to the victory is disingenuous at best and probably outright dishonest. I'll call out Alan Jouban for saying after the fight that Kape's speed was blinding. Yes it was but his eye pokes were even more blinding than his speed.

If you are going to talk about a fight I think it's important to talk about what is actually going on in the ring/octagon. I get that they are trying to sell Kape as a challenger to Pantoja. I understand it's a business but Sheesh Looeesh!

I'm with you.

Also, what's the proposed alternative? If your "hand speed" is fast, then . . . eye pokes are fine?

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

Kape is really good at grazing the eye with his thumb when he throws hooks. That's a borderline foul. The pawing stab at the eyes was not borderline and was clear as day.

he's not stabbing the eyes, he's pawing to gauge range and distract the opponent. legitimately every fighter does it.

 

[Skarsgard]

he's not stabbing the eyes, he's pawing to gauge range and distract the opponent. legitimately every fighter does it.

And it's legitimately a foul. Reaching out with outstretched fingers has been a foul at the very least since they updated the unified rules. Possibly earlier.

 

[CroCopsLHK]

Uhhh he did and once they waved the first one off the second was a judgement call. Is this guy getting badly beat up just looking for a way out? He didn’t see the poke and the first one was deemed no foul. Are you stating that every time an eyepoke is claimed the fight should go to instant replay? What rule says this? Maybe his judgement is one false call Im not stopping the fight if I didn’t see it happen. The truth is nobody did until the replay

I can't recall the first pause of action but that's my point. You act like the referee only has one chance to pause the fight. And guess what he did get eye scraped. We have the benefit of hindsight sure but it proves Beltran was wrong for not investigating the eye poke

And if he does pause it and it WAS a legal strike then maybe you could give a warning, take a point, stop the fight IDK for the person calling foul.

What did Almabayov do to make you think he'd "look for a way out"?

 

[Koro_11]

My issue is not so much with Beltrán and the poke as it is with Mark Smith, and the stupid decision to stop the guys and make them put their mouth pieces in right in the middle of the action, with like 30 seconds left in the round.

Totally changed the outcome of that fight.

 

[CroCopsLHK]

I already conceded in my post that I couldn't do better. It's a hard job but maybe pause the action and check the replay?

I suggest you reread my post, especially the first paragraph. You also don't address my other points from that post. One point would that I think there is an obvious problem with eye pokes and fouls in general in the UFC. Weidman/Silva comes to mind off the top of my head. That's my opinion and you are entitled to yours.

Edit: Here is a good video talking about the fight......

Bro. I saw Anthony Johnson get eye poked and the referee gave his opponent a stoppage win LMAO. It was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen

This is all super unfortunate. Fighters legacies are getting ruined out there

How can anyone be happy with how the last two main events ended? Why are there people here defending these officials?

 

[maximus__]

I didn’t think in a million years I would have to make a public statement in defense of Beltran but here we are. Kape is ridiculously fast. There isn’t a soul on this forum that could tell there was a poke IN REAL TIME. Beltran stopped the fight once due to a complaint and the replay booth said continue. There are certain fighters that attack with a speed of violence all you will see is the general area he was aiming for. I can’t even say for certain it was intentional. I can say for certain Kape‘s hand speed is faster than naked eye

My point is I have seen repeated posters claiming outright conspiracy. Stop acting as if you having the benefit of slow motion replay means you would do better than Beltran in real time. Seeing that man get his name smeared on this one bothers me. He didn’t have much a choice. Kape needs a firm warning and points taken moving forward but the notion anyone here would have done much different begs the question what would you have done differently?

He missed the poke and stopped the fight on a takedown attempt because he was out of position and accidentally touched them. He also missed the poke for a similar reason.

I wouldn't have stopped it on the takedown. That's the biggest issue.

He has a few stoppages like that which are pretty bad. He cost a fighter a win previously by stopping it early.

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Chandler vs Gaethje, where he also got poked and forced to fight straight after because Beltran made him.


The guy used to be a cop and trains with heaps of MMA fighters. He kinda gets lost in there enjoying the fights sometimes and misses stuff. Then he kinda wakes up, remembers what he is doing and over protects the fighters. It's weirdly inconsistent.

 

[Mind Mine]

He's been inconsistent for years, whether it be early or late stoppages. I understand it's a spur of the moment type job, but I refuse to excuse his ineptitude. He has more than enough experience to make the right call. While I can see your perspective on the eye rake, it's plain as day that he was intelligently defending himself by being aware of incoming offense, even if running away from it is frowned upon on the boards. It was a shit stoppage. Beltran needs to be better, as do the majority of refs the UFC uses through the local athletic commissions. ACs need to hold them accountable.

Now woah we can agree the stoppage was horse shit but the UFC has been on that path a long time now of early stoppage

 

[Mind Mine]

He missed the poke and stopped the fight on a takedown attempt because he was out of position and accidentally touched them. He also missed the poke for a similar reason.

I wouldn't have stopped it on the takedown. That's the biggest issue.

He has a few stoppages like that which are pretty bad. He cost a fighter a win previously by stopping it early.

‘That’s f***** up’: Pros react to Trey Odgen vs. Nikolas Motta referee blunder at UFC Vegas 82

Check out how UFC fighters reacted to Mike Beltran’s bad stoppage during the Trey Ogden vs. Nikolas Motta bout at UFC Vegas 82.

www.mmafighting.com

Chandler vs Gaethje, where he also got poked and forced to fight straight after because Beltran made him.


The guy used to be a cop and trains with heaps of MMA fighters. He kinda gets lost in there enjoying the fights sometimes and misses stuff. Then he kinda wakes up, remembers what he is doing and over protects the fighters. It's weirdly inconsistent.

Stoppage I can’t disagree I mean the poke outrage is out of hand I probably need to add that

 

[Mind Mine]

I can't recall the first pause of action but that's my point. You act like the referee only has one chance to pause the fight. And guess what he did get eye scraped. We have the benefit of hindsight sure but it proves Beltran was wrong for not investigating the eye poke

And if he does pause it and it WAS a legal strike then maybe you could give a warning, take a point, stop the fight IDK for the person calling foul.

What did Almabayov do to make you think he'd "look for a way out"?

Without the context of the first pause of action it may be hard to explain but he probably thought due was just getting pieced up after the first pause was shot dowb upon replay. That context absolutely may have just made him say this ass beating has gone on long enough and dude keeps crying and wave the fight. I can’t say it was right but if you watch the fight and the way things were going I kinda get his actions if he didn’t see the poke

 

[Mind Mine]

He missed the poke and stopped the fight on a takedown attempt because he was out of position and accidentally touched them. He also missed the poke for a similar reason.

I wouldn't have stopped it on the takedown. That's the biggest issue.

He has a few stoppages like that which are pretty bad. He cost a fighter a win previously by stopping it early.

‘That’s f***** up’: Pros react to Trey Odgen vs. Nikolas Motta referee blunder at UFC Vegas 82

Check out how UFC fighters reacted to Mike Beltran’s bad stoppage during the Trey Ogden vs. Nikolas Motta bout at UFC Vegas 82.

www.mmafighting.com

Chandler vs Gaethje, where he also got poked and forced to fight straight after because Beltran made him.


The guy used to be a cop and trains with heaps of MMA fighters. He kinda gets lost in there enjoying the fights sometimes and misses stuff. Then he kinda wakes up, remembers what he is doing and over protects the fighters. It's weirdly inconsistent.

My only issue with the outrage is people are making it about him missing pokes but he stopped the fight on one and it got shut down. The other that shit was extremely fast and it took several replays for me to see the actual poke after the rake. My problem is crashing outbon a man for something you know damn well you only saw due to replay. All the rest crash away sherbro

 

[CroCopsLHK]

Without the context of the first pause of action it may be hard to explain but he probably thought due was just getting pieced up after the first pause was shot dowb upon replay. That context absolutely may have just made him say this ass beating has gone on long enough and dude keeps crying and wave the fight. I can’t say it was right but if you watch the fight and the way things were going I kinda get his actions if he didn’t see the poke

Beltran has to have seen tens of thousands of fights. It was a dirty fight both ways but when someone is getting pieced up I don't see them constantly calling for attention, wincing, covering their eye etc. Literally the only example I can think of off hand is Koscheck

I say give the fighter the benefit of the doubt. But when he first got eye poked and the first break you're talking about... he did get poked and the "ring side official" said it was legal. Lmao! So Beltran is just gonna take this goofballs word and ignore all deductive reasoning?

Why don't we just call it for what it is. fighters are going to cheat if they benefit from it. Due dilligence is a foreign concept to lazy and arrogant commissions/officials. Someone's gonna lose a damn eye someday

 

[maximus__]

Stoppage I can’t disagree I mean the poke outrage is out of hand I probably need to add that

I missed it live, but the reaction and motion is pretty obvious.
Kape slaps with his lead hand and catches the eye.

The whole finishing sequences is the issue. Beltran did so poorly that he missed an eye poke, then stopped it on a deep takedown entry. It's MMA, the ground exists. Beltran needs to put his hand up and admit he fell on them running over and stopped it to cover his own arse. It's very obvious on replay.

edit:Here is the stoppage minus the eye poke. It's a terrible stoppage all round. He barely takes anything flush, is clearly with it and creates space to turn around. You actually see him wipe his eye in the sequence, but even ignoring the eye poke it sucks.He covers up, creates space and turns back in to fight as soon as he can.