What does Kamaru Usman need to do to surpass GSP as GOAT

[Papa Doc]

Defend 10 times.
Super fights vs LW and LW which would include
1. Win a MW belt.
2.Beat a LW Champion or 2.

Then we will talk.

 

[pankrat]

I'm not saying Masvidal is not game or good, I am saying he had no business in the octagon against Usman for a second time after that first fight. The first fight made it abundantly clear he was outmatched by a significant margin. You can wax lyrical about Masvidal's skills all you like. The fact is, he was promptly dominated, and it's not as if he climbed his way back to the top after a killer run to earn the rematch. It was a money grab in a division with few of those.

That he is hard to hit or had never been KOd is irrelavant. It was a money grab fight and little besides.

Cool, it was a money grab as many tittle defenses are to some extent. Till or Hardy got an easier road to the tittle for money. Jorge even more so ok so what. To discredit KOing Masvidal around that, saying its "irrelevant" its fucking stupid.
Way inferior fighters than Masvidal have gotten a tittle shot and still you count them as defenses. Anyways just take is as a single W for Usman. I agree. He has a long way to catch GSP imo but if he keep this finishing ratio he will be close soon.

 

[Herwald]

2 more good wins, maybe 3 and he's there. Even if he loses to Colby and beats him in the trilogy - that could get it done, too. Cause a loss would build up Colby's value, then he'd harvest that for himself.

 

[pankrat]

Not trolling at all, who do you consider GSP best win? I think it’s Alves, he ktfo Matt Hughes and beat Kos and was on a legit streak. Super dangerous opponent.

Yeah, very dangerous. But he wasn't the best opponent nor it was the most dominant win.
To me GSP's best wins are finishes over Hughes and BJ. Then put a beating on Fitch in a way a more impressive performance vs a guy who dominated Alves.
Condit is a better win too imo.
Shields and Diaz have a case although those were pretty dull performances.
I dont think GSP beat Hendricks but he was certainly the better opponent.

 

[Oscar Madison]

Usman has to dominate WW as did GSP — AND win a MW (or higher ) Title, to be comparable to GSP.

THEN, IF Usman successfully defends that MW Title, he is placed above GSP.

 

[campbecc]

few more fights. 7-0 with finishes is better than 9-1 (with that loss being the biggest upset in UFC history).

The bisping vs gsp thing is tricky. Usman going up to fight Adesanya / Whittaker is not the same. Better equivalent would be going up and beating Gastelum or something. But no one would care since its not a title fight.

I know Gastelum beat Bisping but it was less than a month after GSP had beaten him. Bisping never should have been in that fight, no way he had remotely recovered. In general Bisping was leaps and bounds better than Gastelum, Bisping is Gastelum's best win and that fight never should have been sanctioned.

 

[jons333]

defend against better fighters.

yall trash GSP for moving up and fighting Bisping but Usman's 3 of his 4 defenses have been against old lightweight rejects, then he was trying to call out another failed LW, Michael Chiesa a couple months back.

And the only other defense was against Colby which he barely survived against. Even the fight that got him the title shot was against a former LW (RDA).


It's unfortunate but UFC's WW is a joke right now. Half the top 10 are lightweight fighters that aren't good enough for lightweight.

 

[SaltedVinegarfootstomps]

Keep winning, essentially. Usman will have the added hindrance of failing knees and a suspect back, however, so it’s going to be a difficult path to Mt. GSP. If he continues his finishing streak he will definitely draw some arguments, so this experiment should be fun for even ardent GSP legacy guardians.

 

[krelianx]

2 more good wins, maybe 3 and he's there. Even if he loses to Colby and beats him in the trilogy - that could get it done, too. Cause a loss would build up Colby's value, then he'd harvest that for himself.

This is just ridiculous. If he loses to Colby he will have a hard time closing that gap, even if he beats him in the triology.

 

[Pierced7681]

Yeah, very dangerous. But he wasn't the best opponent nor it was the most dominant win.
To me GSP's best wins are finishes over Hughes and BJ. Then put a beating on Fitch in a way a more impressive performance vs a guy who dominated Alves.
Condit is a better win too imo.
Shields and Diaz have a case although those were pretty dull performances.
I dont think GSP beat Hendricks but he was certainly the better opponent.

I disagree with all those, Hughes was starting to slow down (he was 41-4) when GSP finally beat him, Penn is way smaller and could have fought at 145 his whole career, and Fitch was on a great win streak but not particularly dangerous anywhere. Shields is a good choice but he’s a bit too one dimensional and posed no threat standing.

 

[Pierced7681]

I would say Shields is his best win. Shields has wins over Woodley, Okami, Lawler, Henderson, Pyle, Kampmann, Maia, Daley, Condit, was on a 15 fight streak, and was the SF MW champion.

Shields has a great resume, but too one dimensional. GSP just had to keep it standing and Shields was neutralized.

 

[pick999]

Get koed by colby

 

[campbecc]

Lol even Dana White himself said that GSP lost in the post fight conference

Dana has always hated GSP even when GSP was one of the UFCs main stars Dana hated him, when GSP said he wanted to take time off Dana attacked him and Fertitta had to step in and personally and publicly stop it. It must be something personal between GSP and Dana.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

Keep fighting and dominating.

Problem is that the dude already cleaned the division and has mostly rematches from now on.

 

[pankrat]

I disagree with all those, Hughes was starting to slow down (he was 41-4) when GSP finally beat him, Penn is way smaller and could have fought at 145 his whole career, and Fitch was on a great win streak but not particularly dangerous anywhere. Shields is a good choice but he’s a bit too one dimensional and posed no threat standing.

Dude, you just hyped up Alves over a more washed up Hughes than the one you just discredited. And it was a finish, not a decision as GSP vs Alves.
Fitch actually beat Alves in his run, twice. And it was a much more impressive performande by GSP. You just make no sense.

 

[BigGing]

Fight the top contenders and finish

 

[pankrat]

Shields has a great resume, but too one dimensional. GSP just had to keep it standing and Shields was neutralized.

Shields is less one dimensional than Fitch, Hughes or Hardy. Actually has won more fights in the elite in the feet than Alves did in the ground. It was way easier to neutralize Alves offense than Shields.

 

[Pierced7681]

Dude, you just hyped up Alves over a more washed up Hughes than the one you just discredited. And it was a finish, not a decision as GSP vs Alves.
Fitch actually beat Alves in his run, twice. And it was a much more impressive performande by GSP. You just make no sense.

How do I make no sense? Alves was at his absolute peak when he fought GSP. I fully believe he was GSP’s best win and his most dangerous opponent at 170.

 

[Hypetrainofthemonth]

why does he need to the win the MW title to be the WW goat? Usman fought better competition than GSP. He also won 9 straight before getting a title shot.

if we're talking about WW goat, then sure, I'd agree he wouldn't need the MW belt obviously.

I was going off the thread title, of overall MMA GOAT, which in MY opinion, he would either need that, or at minimum 3-5 more WW defenses, to surpass GSP's overall GOAT status.

And the better competition is debatable, the only one that really has a definitive, no argument comparison of being "better", is Colby, every other has arguments of the case of not being better, or just on par of GSP's defenses(I will concede that some of GSP's aren't too special in today's realm though. It's just GSP has double Usmans to easily make up for it)

 

[pankrat]

How do I make no sense? Alves was at his absolute peak when he fought GSP. I fully believe he was GSP’s best win and his most dangerous opponent at 170.

Your arguments make no sense. But if you fully believe it, its cool.