What do you know about Thiago Moises?

[Zebra Cheeks]

Same here.


It’s like new BTT vs Chute Boxe feud... ATT vs Blackzillians (Hard Knocks 365) Even though they all left with Hooft, it’s essentially the same rivalry lol.


I normally try to respect the gym by not putting out too much internal stuff but I don’t mind answering any general questions. And I got in trouble accidentally spoiling the ATT/Blackzillians TUF here lol. Honest mistake.


So any Q’s shoot if you got them.

@FireKidWS

I’d say do a Q&A or something of that nature because I think it’s awesome that we get to have members like you. But I definitely respect that you’re trying not to say anything or take too many questions that could create issues for you.

Have you ever had an “oh shit” moment rolling or sparring with someone, and you realized how many levels there are to the game type of situation? Was there anyone you’ve practiced with that really felt levels ahead of other fighters you typically practice with?

In regards to Thiago, how do you train for a guy like Michael Johnson who can be inconsistent? He’s got wins over the elite of the division but struggles with seemingly average competitors, so do you just prepare for the worst and hope for the best?

 

[BRASIL WAND]

I’d say do a Q&A or something of that nature because I think it’s awesome that we get to have members like you. But I definitely respect that you’re trying not to say anything or take too many questions that could create issues for you.

Have you ever had an “oh shit” moment rolling or sparring with someone, and you realized how many levels there are to the game type of situation? Was there anyone you’ve practiced with that really felt levels ahead of other fighters you typically practice with?

In regards to Thiago, how do you train for a guy like Michael Johnson who can be inconsistent? He’s got wins over the elite of the division but struggles with seemingly average competitors, so do you just prepare for the worst and hope for the best?

The first time I rolled with Cole Miller was a shocker... I was in HS when I first rolled with him but was taken back by his ability to process. It’s like he lures you into a false sense of security with letting you advance position or let’s you use raw physicality to set up passes, etc. but he’s already setting traps like that. It’s weird, he’s like 2 or 3 moves ahead. He doesn’t use strength almost at all. Regardless, how that guy manages to do that stuff in MMA (combat) situations fascinated me. Also the set up he used to tap Jorge Gurgel (Rich Franklins Black Belt BJJ trainer) with a triangle, we had literally learned in BJJ class a few weeks before the fight from Master Liborio when he was still teaching BJJ classes. It’s like he absorbed it like a sponge.


He was a purple belt at the time and was surprised with a brown belt for the very next class he attended. An American purple belt tapping a reputable Brazilian Black Belt was almost unheard of then.


As for MJ, I don’t think he’s the fighter he used to be but I think Thiago can outpoint him. As long as he fights his fight and doesn’t overextend he’ll be alright. We’ll see

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

The first time I rolled with Cole Miller was a shocker... I was in HS when I first rolled with him but was taken back by his ability to process. It’s like he lures you into a false sense of security with letting you advance position or let’s you use raw physicality to set up passes, etc. but he’s already setting traps like that. It’s weird, he’s like 2 or 3 moves ahead. He doesn’t use strength almost at all. Regardless, how that guy manages to do that stuff in MMA (combat) situations fascinated me. Also the set up he used to tap Jorge Gurgel (Rich Franklins Black Belt BJJ trainer) with a triangle, we had literally learned in BJJ class a few weeks before the fight from Master Liborio when he was still teaching BJJ classes. It’s like he absorbed it like a sponge.


He was a purple belt at the time and was surprised with a brown belt for the very next class he attended. An American purple belt tapping a reputable Brazilian Black Belt was almost unheard of then.


As for MJ, I don’t think he’s the fighter he used to be but I think Thiago can outpoint him. As long as he fights his fight and doesn’t overextend he’ll be alright. We’ll see

jeez, Cole Miller. That’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile. I remember thinking how tough it must be to grapple with a guy that’s so y’all and lanky in certain positions. It’s interesting you mention how much of it was mental for him because he never struck me as a guy that had a physical gift that was difficult for anyone to deal with (I’m talking strength, speed etc..). That’s pretty cool. Thanks for sharing bud

 

[BRASIL WAND]

jeez, Cole Miller. That’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile. I remember thinking how tough it must be to grapple with a guy that’s so y’all and lanky in certain positions. It’s interesting you mention how much of it was mental for him because he never struck me as a guy that had a physical gift that was difficult for anyone to deal with (I’m talking strength, speed etc..). That’s pretty cool. Thanks for sharing bud

No problem.

And yeah I thought he got jobbed out of his fight with Holloway but that’s another convo lol. His career could’ve turned out a lot different imo.

 

[FireKidWS]

@BRASIL WAND

Unrelated question, but Im a Colby fan despite the hate he gets on here.

You work with him before? How did he handle the Usman loss? You think he'll come back from it and win the belt?

Also, I have a bit of knowledge of the relationship between ATT and BTT, but would be very interested to hear your perspective on it.

 

[jrleclerc88]

I mostly just know if from the fight with Dariush and I really don't remember much of that one. I remember Moises went for the same guillotine three rounds in a row. Dariush was too sharp and wriggled free each time and took advantage of being on top. That loss doesn't look so bad now that Dariush has four wins in a row and is one or two big W's from being in title contention.

Those guillotine attempts represented major repeated errors in his tactics. Similar to Woodley going for the same choked against Usman. In both cases it seemed very forced and low percentage. I'd chalk it up to inexperience rather than lack of knowledge. Moises has some pretty solid credentials in BJJ.

As for how the fight goes? Probably Moises at this stage. Johnson has looked so feeble since he went down to 145. He lost his last fight, right? Johnson of a few years ago would have tortured Moises though

Johnson has not looked his best recently.

Lost his last 2, and 5 out of the last 7.

Looks to be coming into this fight beefed up. He posted this on may 5

 

[BRASIL WAND]

@BRASIL WAND

Unrelated question, but Im a Colby fan despite the hate he gets on here.

You work with him before? How did he handle the Usman loss? You think he'll come back from it and win the belt?

Also, I have a bit of knowledge of the relationship between ATT and BTT, but would be very interested to hear your perspective on it.

I’m a big Colby supporter aswell. He’s a full ATT product. He came to the gym around a decade ago I won’t speak on his personal life or character, but as far as him inside the ring goes his character matches his persona. The dude is a worker and a true villain when competing lol, intense in everything from grappling to striking. A lot of the trash he talks has merit. Like him talking about Lawler or Woodley etc. the guy is nonstop intensity when he trains. He was actually pretty cool with Woodley a few years ago. They were training partners.


As for the Usman fight, I think it’s commonly accepted within the fight community that it was poorly officiated all the way around. One thing that’s not talked about is him not training with their striking coach Paulino down in Miami. The guy is the most underrated coach in the sport and responsible for the striking development of Masvidal and Romero. Two of the best striking defenses in the game. I don’t exactly know why Colby hired a new striking coach prior to his fight with Usman, I can only speculate it’s because his feud with Mas. But yeah the guy is a hidden gem in MMA.

(Edit: I didn’t mention it was Masvidal who put Colby on with his striking coach.)

I thought him stepping out of the pocket against Usman sideways and with his mouth open was a rookie mistake which would’ve never happened with Paulino. Totally affected the outcome of the fight which I thought Colby was winning to that point.

As for ATT/BTT, there’s not much of a current relation. ATT is essentially BTT guys who came over to America.

The head coaches at BTT we’re Mario Sperry, Murillo Bustamante, and Ricardo Liborio. All legendary Carlson Gracie black belts and imo the best lineage of BJJ for MMA.

Master Liborio essentially ventured to America and opened ATT with a few guys from BTT joining him and American fighters eventually joining. The rest is history lol. I believe they’re responsible for creating that bridge between American and Brazilian MMA.

A lot of Brazilian fighters come to ATT because much of the staff is Brazilian and south Florida has a large Brazilian population. The environment here is also VERY similar to Brazil.


Fun Fact the ATT/BTT logo is the same. It’s Ricardo Arona when he won ADCC

 

[fortheo]

Moises is solid, but I think he's the kind of guy top level guys should be beating. Ismagulov didn't have too much trouble with him.

He's never been finished in his career, so if Johnson doesn't knock him out quickly, the fight could come down to Johnson's mentality, if he checks out mentally and throws it away like he did against Stevie Ray he will probably lose, but if he performs to anything like his potential he should win.

Speaking of ismagulov, that guy looks pretty solid. I wish he'd fight more often

 

[FireKidWS]

I’m a big Colby supporter aswell. He’s a full ATT product. He came to the gym around a decade ago I won’t speak on his personal life or character, but as far as him inside the ring goes his character matches his persona. The dude is a worker and a true villain when competing lol, intense in everything from grappling to striking. A lot of the trash he talks has merit. Like him talking about Lawler or Woodley etc. the guy is nonstop intensity when he trains. He was actually pretty cool with Woodley a few years ago. They were training partners.


As for the Usman fight, I think it’s commonly accepted within the fight community that it was poorly officiated all the way around. One thing that’s not talked about is him not training with their striking coach Paulino down in Miami. The guy is the most underrated coach in the sport and responsible for the striking development of Masvidal and Romero. Two of the best striking defenses in the game. I don’t exactly know why Colby hired a new striking coach prior to his fight with Usman, I can only speculate it’s because his feud with Mas. But yeah the guy is a hidden gem in MMA.

(Edit: I didn’t mention it was Masvidal who put Colby on with his striking coach.)

I thought him stepping out of the pocket against Usman sideways and with his mouth open was a rookie mistake which would’ve never happened with Paulino. Totally affected the outcome of the fight which I thought Colby was winning to that point.

As for ATT/BTT, there’s not much of a current relation. ATT is essentially BTT guys who came over to America.

The head coaches at BTT we’re Mario Sperry, Murillo Bustamante, and Ricardo Liborio. All legendary Carlson Gracie black belts and imo the best lineage of BJJ for MMA.

Master Liborio essentially ventured to America and opened ATT with a few guys from BTT joining him and American fighters eventually joining. The rest is history lol. I believe they’re responsible for creating that bridge between American and Brazilian MMA.

A lot of Brazilian fighters come to ATT because much of the staff is Brazilian and south Florida has a large Brazilian population. The environment here is also VERY similar to Brazil.


Fun Fact the ATT/BTT logo is the same. It’s Ricardo Arona when he won ADCC

This is a hell of a post. Thanks.

 

[FireKidWS]

@Zebra Cheeks

Thoughts on my boy Colby and Brasil Wands comments?

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

@Zebra Cheeks

Thoughts on my boy Colby and Brasil Wands comments?

@BRASIL WAND

As either of you might already know, I’m not a Colby fan. I don’t dislike the guy, I just generally dislike fighters who I feel have a heavy gimmick, like cejudo, or Colby. That being said I respect him a lot as a fighter, and it’s interesting to hear that he brings that kind of intensity into practices.

 

[BRASIL WAND]

@Zebra Cheeks @FireKidWS


SURPRISE SURPRISE!!! WELL ROUNDED!!! COMFORTABLE EVERYWHERE!!

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

@Zebra Cheeks @FireKidWS


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You called it brother. That striking defense was beautiful

 

[Quietus]

Well after the fight I know hes gonna be another Ryan Hall, nobody will want to fight him because losing might mean career-altering knee damage via leg lock.

 

[Pequeño Corey]

Now I know this.

 

[matheuss92]

@Zebra Cheeks @FireKidWS


SURPRISE SURPRISE!!! WELL ROUNDED!!! COMFORTABLE EVERYWHERE!!


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Sick bjj

 

[Nobru]

You called it brother. That striking defense was beautiful

indeed
striking D is very hard to learn, he absorbed quite a few punches as well
he looked a bit shy tho
timid td attempts without feints
noticed hes very young tho, theres a lot of room for improvements but looked solid

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

indeed
striking D is very hard to learn, he absorbed quite a few punches as well
he looked a bit shy tho
timid td attempts without feints
noticed hes very young tho, theres a lot of room for improvements but looked solid

Yeah and I mean, getting in there with guys like Michael Johnson is how he’ll get better. I don’t think he was overwhelmed at all though. He knew exactly what he was doing the whole fight

 

[Nandez]

I know that he ruined my 5 team parlay. I don’t like this guy.

 

[FireKidWS]

I know that he ruined my 5 team parlay. I don’t like this guy.

Should have read Sherdog before making that bet.