Crime What did the cops do wrong today. Vol. 2

[bobgeese]

It is pampering to have a system in place where cops are held to certain standards, to prevent abuse of power among other things?

I’m all for holding police accountable, including this one.


I’m also for curbstomping criminals.

 

[Bloody Pulp]

The barrier to entry to become a cop needs to be raised. It needs to be like other countries in Europe. Years and years of schooling and training with people who have high emotional IQs.

Instead they hire guys with mental issues and anger management problems with little training.

Also, all lawsuit settlements come out of the pension funds.

And last, since LEOs are the expert in the matter, all criminal sentences should be double and we need to start sending these dirt bags to jail.

go to school for years and years so you too can make a middling wage to work god awful hours and days, with enormous stress and constant second guessing of most everything you do and potential civil and legal litigation if you make an incorrect split second decision while fighting with transients and uncooperative assholes.

sign me up!

 

[613MMAfan]

I can only assume the reason you want a criminal to put their arms out to the side when they're laying down is to make sure that they can't grab a gun if they have one on them. If a criminal refuses to do this I can understand why a police officer would be very concerned and frustrated about that.

If the criminal was complying with everything and the officer still did that then I would agree that he's an asshole, but in this situation I can see where the officer is coming from. The criminal had a chance to comply and make things easy and he refused and the officer probably didn't mean to cause as much damage as he did.

 

[Graves The Elder]

The cop was recently fired because of the video you moron.

smh, you're probably the type of idiot who throws perfectly good donuts out of their car.
the carnage!! what's wrong with you?

 

[JoshTehV]

I'm generally very tolerant of police actions but the way i've seen some of them restrain people is pretty damn savage. I once saw a cop order a guy to get on the ground(which he did without complaint), the cop then dropped his knee on the guy's neck while he started putting the cuffs on him. Dude obviously couldn't breathe so he started squirming to get air and the cop freaked out, started screaming for him to stop resisting and was about to pull his gun before his partner chilled him the fuck out.

reminds me of the time I watched a cop wait until a car was literally within arms length of him to cross the street, and then he literally whipped his gun and flashlight out while yelling a bunch of shit to the driver. The thing was even though it might've been around a decade ago I think he was trying to make a situation like this occur as he already had his hand on his holster while hes getting ready to cross the street. He starts yelling at the driver saying shit like what the fuck man, you got a fucking license and I could hear the guy say something like I'm not a citizen or that he didnt have his license on him whatever and the cop had a heyday

I heard another story through a childhood friend that he was biking back through our downtown san jose and just happened to go through some kind of alley and he stopped cus he could hear someone getting fucked up and he looks and sees two cops beating the fuck out of a homeless man and they all stop look at him and he just took off because he didn't want to be a apart of that.

I had a fat filipino cop that didnt seem to give a fuck about a police report my family did over several thousand dollar worth of goods and he was yawning and pretending to write notes down and shit. The same fat fuck came back to my neighborhood during 4th of july to confiscate fireworks and tried to confiscate my sibling's fire works ( sparklers, little doo dads and crap) because I shot off a bottle rocket down the street with my buddies. I told the dude to his face that he didn't give a shit about the police report he took from us and how fucking stupid it was to confiscate fucking sparklers and him and his buddies wanted to ticket my parent's entire party for illegal fireworks. They pretty much got butthurt that I only had 1 big ass bottle rocket and they just wanted to take all the fireworks we had on our property on that basis. What's even more fucked is a buddy of mine's grandpa was a higher up in the Sunnyvale police department and the only reason they go out and do shit like this is so they can go to a remote area so they can do the same thing you were going to do.

Also, the fact that my local departments run obvious quotas doesn't help their image, we get like one day out of the month where you'll see a cop car every square block pulling someone over and writing a ticket. On another note, it seems departments only hire like-minded individuals which is why they all utilize various testing methods for aptitude and personality. A buddy of mine failed the screening for both the sheriffs and police department most likely because he was too nice but they aren't required to tell you why you didn't get accepted. I can't comprehend how my buddy who was an eagle scout, has a 4 year degree in criminal justice, and his dad's a delegate. On top of that, he's black, so he was the perfect token hire. Yet they are hiring people with highschool diplomas in places like Atherton.

Another dude I know of who used to bully the fuck out of all the timid freshmen on the football team in high school now works in a canine unit. If I recall, he used to get his rocks off by holding freshmen down and tea-bagging them via nut to face contact.

 

[kenetics]

You and I both got jobs, they decided to steal from hard working people like us. You and I are fundamentally different from them.

The reality is,

I know these folks.
You can’t change them. Society is better off without them.

Those are hard truths, and as pointed out above is not a blanket pass for all police. I think cops should be required to wear body cams, and prosecuted when they break the law.

I just don’t particularly care if they stomp out a burglar.

I don't think a thief should be killed for stealing.

 

[Graves The Elder]

finally got to see the vid.
easy call, excessive force.
worth getting fired for?
not sure.
years ago, he would have gotten a few weeks off.
today?
see ya, pal.

 

[bobgeese]

I don't think a thief should be killed for stealing.

Neither do I.


But if you break into my home, I have no idea what your intentions are. You might end up dead.


If you get caught committing a crime by the police, and you refuse orders, you might end up dead.

 

[HereticBD]

Cop should be charged with at least manslaughter

To those justifying this. Imagine 2 gangbangers telling an innocent dad to get on the ground by gunpoint. Then they proceed to curb stomp that guy.

That cop sadly has the same mentality as a violent criminal. Fuck him and fuck anyone who tried to cover up his criminal actions

The key word there that separates the two is "innocent".

I'm not defending what the cop did, and he should be punished accordingly, but I'm not exactly giving a shit about a criminal who preyed on others getting his head kicked in either.

 

[djacobox372]

go to school for years and years so you too can make a middling wage to work god awful hours and days, with enormous stress and constant second guessing of most everything you do and potential civil and legal litigation if you make an incorrect split second decision while fighting with transients and uncooperative assholes.
sign me up!

People go to jail all the time for "incorrect split decisions" some times for life.

Not curbstomping people who present no threat isn't a high bar.

 

[JoshTehV]

finally got to see the vid.
easy call, excessive force.
worth getting fired for?
not sure.
years ago, he would have gotten a few weeks off.
today?
see ya, pal.

true, but the people who lowered the bar that low are the ones running entire police forces and overseeing that they hire people they like, essentially people exactly like them which is why this happens so frequently and the fact they can just switch to another department without any repercussions is appalling.

 

[613MMAfan]

People seem to mostly be arguing about whether a criminal deserves to get stomped just because they are a criminal. I completely agree with the people who are saying that they don't, but people aren't focusing enough on the fact that the criminal was given a chance to comply with an order that was meant to keep the officers safe and he refused.

 

[Graves The Elder]

non-compliance is not an excuse for 'excessive' force, force of some kind sure but it can be kept within guidelines.

active resistance is another matter entirely IMO. encountering a fighting suspect, an officer has almost unlimited power (up to and including the
use of deadly force if circumstances warrant)

 

[Graves The Elder]

true, but the people who lowered the bar that low are the ones running entire police forces and overseeing that they hire people they like, essentially people exactly like them which is why this happens so frequently and the fact they can just switch to another department without any repercussions is appalling.

hm, that reasoning may apply in small, regional and rural agencies but in city departments of any size, hiring follows fairly well established standards.

 

[JoshTehV]

hm, that reasoning may apply in small, regional and rural agencies but in city departments of any size, hiring follows fairly well established standards.

eh I wrote a report on how they hire in California for organization psychology and found that they don't follow any protocol, every precinct does whatever they want. Not all of the requirements or even use the few standardized testing formats that a lot of other police forces do. The very basis of using personality test rides on looking for certain personality types and there's gotta be some correlation. Apparently target, after all the times I've ever applied, doesn't want anyone that strongly agrees or strongly disagrees with anything because they never called me for a job opportunity until I filled it how I thought they would want it to be. They also don't release any of that information for several reasons, one of which might be self incrimination.

 

[franklinstower]

Actually, America just rejected “your way”.

My way is the American way. I am an American and I love this country. I know of nowhere in this country that had decided vigilant justice is now OK.

Your way is the way of fools...

 

[Bloody Pulp]

People go to jail all the time for "incorrect split decisions" some times for life.

False. Cecil People’s is still a free man.

 

[kenetics]

Neither do I.


But if you break into my home, I have no idea what your intentions are. You might end up dead.


If you get caught committing a crime by the police, and you refuse orders, you might end up dead.

If the crime is petty, still no reason for cops to abuse or kill them.

 

[Graves The Elder]

eh I wrote a report on how they hire in California for organization psychology and found that they don't follow any protocol, every precinct does whatever they want. Not all of the requirements or even use the few standardized testing formats that a lot of other police forces do. The very basis of using personality test rides on looking for certain personality types and there's gotta be some correlation. Apparently target, after all the times I've ever applied, doesn't want anyone that strongly agrees or strongly disagrees with anything because they never called me for a job opportunity until I filled it how I thought they would want it to be. They also don't release any of that information for several reasons, one of which might be self incrimination.

sounds like a nice term paper for college. also sounds like you don't belong in the profession.

I was in LE for 25 years and I can assure you that POST (Police Officer Standards and Training) protocol is used and adhered to by the majority of departments throughout the state of California.

 

[Bald1]

I'm walking away from this thread. And Sherdog for a while.

Stomping on the back of someone's head is attempted murder. And a whole bunch of right wingers that I normally agree with are saying it's okay to do that to a thief.

I must be wrong.

No, you're completely right, and they're complete wrong. Or idiots? Meh, both.

Take all the emotion out of this. Remove all aspects of identity. What are we left with?

A cop playing judge, jury, executioner.

Judge Dredd is a cool comic but it's a terrible model to base our justice system on. Argue for much tougher sentencing? Ok, works for me. Mandatory minimums? I don't like the idea, but ok.

Excuse the dispensers of government sanctioned violence to overstep their authority based on any circumstance? Now that's a slippery slope that can bite anyone in the ass. Just as citizens should resist consequences in a court of law, so should LEOs seek to dispense punishment in the same venue. And if they can't uphold and operate within the confines of the law then they shouldn't be cops. Pretty simple.