What are the chances Dana loses Tom too?

[blaseblase]

Dana has turned HW into a shit show. He already managed to lose Big Frank and with how he's been treating Tom over the past year, I could see Tom maybe leaving too at some point if Dana keeps it up. Thoughts?

Ngannou had a unique contract situation. The Bloody Elbow article that was written about this has been deleted (as has all their work) but from what I understand he signed his last UFC deal while the UFC was being sued and had made their contract slightly less restrictive where the champions clause did not apply to him and he was free in 5 years no matter what. I do not believe that applies to current contracts.

Also he had to spend a couple years underpaid in order to get out, I doubt anyone else wants to do that.

 

[linvillegorge]

I honestly hope the 309 PPV buy numbers suck.

I may be wrong but Jones has never struck me as some box office giant. I don't get why Dana is so subservient to him. Conor? I mean, I get it. Can't stand the guy but he sells bigger than anyone else.

 

[Söze Aldo]

That's on the UFC though. Never has a heavyweight been given so little promo after that many first round finishes.

Totally agree. He should have been promoted as the next great HW and the new breed of HW we've never seen before speed/power etc. but Dana wants to continue to publically fellate a guy who has one foot out of the door and they've made Tom into the annoying guy disrupting that love fest.

Really, the shittiest way possible Tom could have started his championship run.

 

[Meathead Jock]

Totally agree. He should have been promoted as the next great HW and the new breed of HW we've never seen before speed/power etc. but Dana wants to continue to publically fellate a guy who has one foot out of the door and they've made Tom into the annoying guy disrupting that love fest.

Really, the shittiest way possible Tom could have started his championship run.

Tom needs Stipe to win for sure. So he can have a big fight rather than starting his reign of title defense rematches.

 

[Neck&Neck]

Tom could probably get a job at the fire hall with Uncle Stipes

 

[El Fernas]

The UFC lost Ngannou cause he wanted to do boxing, and there was a boxing BIG name very interested in the matchup, he bet on himself and won, lost the 2 fights but got his dream matches in a way, and got paid big while doing it, and according to what was said at the time of signing with PFL, he also got paid against Ferreira...Aspinall isnt there yet.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

I honestly hope the 309 PPV buy numbers suck.

I may be wrong but Jones has never struck me as some box office giant. I don't get why Dana is so subservient to him. Conor? I mean, I get it. Can't stand the guy but he sells bigger than anyone else.

Jon is the biggest draw in the UFC outside of Conor now. They did $13 million at the gate for 285 and 295 did $12 million at MSG when he was the headliner but pulled out right before. This is why UFC didn't have Stipe fight Tom on that card. There is a massive residual effect of keeping a lot of the original gate when the headliner gets pulled as long as you have something decent. Same thing we saw when Conor pulled out back in June and the UFC did $16 million gate anyways which is insane gate but that is the McGregor effect.

Now the UFC keeping Stipe and Jones fight get to doubledip at MSG 1 year later with a big gate again.

 

[Söze Aldo]

Tom needs Stipe to win for sure. So he can have a big fight rather than starting his reign of title defense rematches.

It seems that way. If Jones wins and even if he drops the real HW belt, Dana will still promote and publicize him over Tom when/if that Jones-Pereira super fight does happen.

Jones will continue to insinuate he's the "real" HW champ as well, as he will have not lost it to Tom but gave it up.

 

[flektarn]

The other organizations are absolute dog shit and going under. And I don't think he's ever complained about pay + he can keep fighting the bums at hw and make easy money. He should be getting champ / close to champ pay being an interim champ holder anyways. it's a pride thing that he's just not the undisputed champ but that should resolve itself one way or another after this weekends fight how that's going to play out in the future.

 

[JustforBROCK]

Not a chance. Tom is a huge mark for the UFC - instead of being a huge mark for himself. What he said about Frank and who she's fighting says it all. H

 

[FreddieRoachsVoice]

"Big Frank" has got to be the most "un"intentionally racist name I have ever heard. Where you get that from Francis Ngannou, I will never know.

 

[WokeWarrior]

OH NO NO Keep that same hateful energy yall had before with Francis.
dont try to backtrack now. and even still yall still didnt learn as look at the way yall treating jones.
but as with francis being in the ufc yall didnt want that. he was A THREAT. and like voltron yall formed
to support dana and his schemes to get him out. SAME WITH CYBORG
dont make me post receipts.

dont not try to rewrite history keep "francis should be in the ufc" out yall mouths unless you
were one of the few who supported francis during his uphill battle with the UFC.
You guys were all aboard and happy with francis Leaving and didnt have his back.
so cut the revisionist history. Nope i will not allow it.

and once Jones leaves you will get what yall wanted. and you will have the heavyweight champion you wanted.

 

[linvillegorge]

Jon is the biggest draw in the UFC outside of Conor now. They did $13 million at the gate for 285 and 295 did $12 million at MSG when he was the headliner but pulled out right before. This is why UFC didn't have Stipe fight Tom on that card. There is a massive residual effect of keeping a lot of the original gate when the headliner gets pulled as long as you have something decent. Same thing we saw when Conor pulled out back in June and the UFC did $16 million gate anyways which is insane gate but that is the McGregor effect.

Now the UFC keeping Stipe and Jones fight get to doubledip at MSG 1 year later with a big gate again.

Jones has one top 10 gate and it's #9. Poatan has three and they're all higher than Jones' highest. O'Malley has two top 10 gates including the highest non-Conor gate. Just saying.

 

[Reach Finesse]

Not really.....he's missed out on gazillions with Francis leaving.

Frank vs Tom
Frank vs Jones
Frank vs Stipe 3
Frank vs Pavlovich

There were loads of good fights involving Frank that they could have marketed.

In reality Francis last two fights have sold on 10k ppv buys....and even when he was with the UFC his numbers weren't good

I dont think Africans buy ppvs

 

[Reach Finesse]

OH NO NO Keep that same hateful energy yall had before with Francis.
dont try to backtrack now. and even still yall still didnt learn as look at the way yall treating jones.
but as with francis being in the ufc yall didnt want that. he was A THREAT. and like voltron yall formed
to support dana and his schemes to get him out. SAME WITH CYBORG
dont make me post receipts.

dont not try to rewrite history keep "francis should be in the ufc" out yall mouths unless you
were one of the few who supported francis during his uphill battle with the UFC.
You guys were all aboard and happy with francis Leaving and didnt have his back.
so cut the revisionist history. Nope i will not allow it.

and once Jones leaves you will get what yall wanted. and you will have the heavyweight champion you wanted.

Lmao his 10k ppv buys... Social media support means nothing. Nobody pays to watch him

 

[Istryker]

How many fights Tom have left on his contract?

Tom vs Ngannou in 2026 outside the UFC would be pretty awesome. Let the Saudis throw their money at it to have the real MMA heavyweight championship fight there. NG would be 40 but he started late and his style will carry into later years better than Stipe's speed and timing skillset.

That's what I think as well, if I'm Tom I'm not resigning with the UFC he can run through a contract easy and fight frank 2026

 

[nonoob]

Big Frank managed to lose his two boxing games,getting knocked out very badly in the latter, then proceeded to beat a no name in MMA.

So far Dana is probably feeling pretty good in regards to that

Choices sometimes are made in haste.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GcPxLvDWsAAdFDV?format=jpg&name=medium

 

[JKS]

Dana has turned HW into a shit show. He already managed to lose Big Frank and with how he's been treating Tom over the past year, I could see Tom maybe leaving too at some point if Dana keeps it up. Thoughts?

I don't think Tom is getting treated badly at all by the UFC. A year ago, Tom was a contender who won the interim belt on the card that was Stipe vs Jon. The UFC had plans for a huge legacy fight between Jones and Stipe and they stuck with those plans. It's not like Tom won the belt, but then they decided to make Stipe and Jon.

Since then Dana has made it clear he wants Jones to fight Tom and even said today that if Jones wants to continue to fight, he has to fight Tom and no one else. He said Perreira aint happening.

 

[El Fernas]

Jones has one top 10 gate and it's #9. Poatan has three and they're all higher than Jones' highest. O'Malley has two top 10 gates including the highest non-Conor gate. Just saying.

Omalley being on that list is weird, being #1 is even weirder, the novelty of the Sphere and the UFC brand sold that, just like when Fight Island card sold like 1.6 million PPV's, Jones is probably the 3rd draw at the moment behind Conor and Poatan, who has a very similar 12 million gate to Jones, the other 2 were UFC300 where a potato fighting an orange would still sell well cause you know, UFC 300, 303 has the residual effect mentioned before, it was a 20million gate that went down to 16million after Mcgregor dropped, would had sold 16 million on their own? I doubt it, Jones highest PPV is like 1 million buys against DC iirc, not bad but nothing crazy when it comes to the UFC.

 

[El Fernas]

That's what I think as well, if I'm Tom I'm not resigning with the UFC he can run through a contract easy and fight frank 2026

The UFC tends to sign contract extensions ahead of big fights, he probably signed one for the Pavlovich fight, 1 defense after, probably around 4 fights left, this is all guessing, Ngannou wasnt happy with the UFC and thats why he didnt sign, also there was Fury teasing a fight with him, Aspinall seems happy in the UFC, probably made bank winning the interim belt and got paid well in his first defense, most top guys dont have an issue signing extensions.