What are Brazilian fighters doing wrong?

[Caio]

Is ok. Brazil can have 3 champions by the end of the year if Poatan and Virna win. And maybe Jailton in 2026.

 

[ElLunico]

- charles --> ko'd by topuria
- caio --> beat by imavov
- mauricio --> subbed by saint denis
- pereira --> punched by magomed
- jean silva --> ko'd by the guy who lost to the guy who lost to topuria
- prates --> lost to conor mcgregor wannabe
- anderson --> subbed by khamzat

Lost to good fighters. Whats this suppose to say?

Diego Lopes is Brazilian lol.
Pantoja is champ
Costa is coming off a win

 

[Lucaspmc]

Nope, I've been talking about it for years, nobody listens and nobody really cares about the technical and developmental aspects of the sport but...MMA in Brazil is huge, the dollar goes for so 20/20k contracts make you an upper middle class man in Brazil and theres loads of talent with a strong combat/martial arts culture.

That said and its going to sound mean, but Brazils grasp on MMA is just stupid. While its one of the most populated countries in the world and a top 3 MMA nation with tons of resources...you see guys like Oliveira with with some bum wrestling coach thats 5'6 and a failed regional fighter, who was semi good in Iran and goes "im ready for Islam because my coach is a better wrestler". Jiujitsu in the way its taught, is largely a waste of time for MMA in modern day....you learn so many useless things but you don't learn how to wrestle from bottom, create space in the clinch, work off the cage etc. Brazils really do tend to have...bad top control like Khabib would point out, not that it matters they do not have strong takedowns.

Standing they tend to be so offense focused that they constantly have bad defense. Even Poatan doesnt have good defense, there's exceptions to this but in general even their most elite fighters have bad striking defense and gear very offensive. Plus the strong Muay Thai influence in their games leaves a great many being flat footed, plodding footwork wise and pretty high hipped for getting taken down easier.

Its no coincidence so many Brazilians when they make it big, have their camps in the US. US just has greater resources, better coaching, more access to necessary styles and strengths. Japan struggles with this too, they cannot develop their fighters for shit, they're gyms and formulas just aren't set up for it but the talent is there. The US is falling behind too, just due to the UFC not offering them a livable wage. And then the UFC refuses to sign Russians and Central Asians. So it all kinda offsets itself in a weird way.

100% agree!
Are you brazilian too?

Even in the streets, I managed to not get beaten up even being the smallest dude in the area (not an average sherdogger), just relying on counters thanks to my shotokan karate base

 

[Thy]

only mexicans eat tacos

ok.

 

[Luckyme]

Not being like pantoja.

Pantoja trains out of ATT in Florida.

The other somewhat successful Brazilian, Diego Lopes, lives and trains in Mexico.

Is it a coincidence that the Brazilians struggling in the UFC are all based out of Brazil?

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

They are fighting the very best fighters in the sport currently?

Yeah it can be hard to win when you're doing that ha ha

 

[KO Shotz]

I mean Shogun, Werdum, Wanderlei, the Nogs, Lyoto, & Vitor all had ups & downs. They would win some & then lose some, but they are regarded & known as legends. The only Brazilians that dominated were Anderson & Aldo.

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Diego Lopes is also Brazilian
They already have one belt and will get a second one when Jandiroba will fight Dern

We're not hear to talk about successful Brazilians

 

[Doctor Grudge]

They seem to be doing pretty good?

 

[DumpsterBaby]

Living off former glory and not evolving.

They just got computers 10 years ago, after all.

 

[Flower2dPeople]

They speak retarded spanish.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

- charles --> ko'd by topuria
- caio --> beat by imavov
- mauricio --> subbed by saint denis
- pereira --> punched by magomed
- jean silva --> ko'd by the guy who lost to the guy who lost to topuria
- prates --> lost to conor mcgregor wannabe
- anderson --> subbed by khamzat

Oh man, Topuria knocked out Charles AND beat Prates?

 

[don't ask]

This is true. And I have personally spent the past 23 years researching the best and worst methods and strategies to compete in martial arts, but I have noticed that the guys who lose more often than they win, typically dont have long careers.

Jay Ellis (16-111, fighting 20 years), Shawn Lomas (27-85, fighting 16 years) and Kenneth Allen (1-43, fighting 17 years) would like some words with you.

 

[wwkirk]

Low hanging fruit answer: They don't train takedowns.

 

[JakePaulMMA]

Jay Ellis (16-111, fighting 20 years), Shawn Lomas (27-85, fighting 16 years) and Kenneth Allen (1-43, fighting 17 years) would like some words with you.

don't typically

I've done the work man, I know things!

 

[don't ask]

I've done the work man, I know things!

Lol all right, you've lawyered your way out of this one, but I'll get you one day

 

[HeffDoesWant]

- charles --> ko'd by topuria
- caio --> beat by imavov
- mauricio --> subbed by saint denis
- pereira --> punched by magomed
- jean silva --> ko'd by the guy who lost to the guy who lost to topuria
- prates --> lost to conor mcgregor wannabe
- anderson --> subbed by khamzat

Not fighting Americans?

 

[Xanzito]

losing

/thread

 

[Steve Fox]

They speak retarded spanish.

Actually it's retarded Portuguese.

 

[Kwic]

When you lose one fight it just shows you were never any good to begin with

And should retire.