What’s the argument against automatic point deductions for eye pokes?

[Pharenheit]

Cause I can’t think of any. We’ve had too many title fights ruined because of it over the years just make eye pokes an automatic point deduction. If a guy fights with his fingers extended they will be forced to adjust

 

[EndlessCritic]

Because point deductions are supposed to be for intentional fouls.

If an eye poke is an automatic point deduction, should that also mean that in the event any fight cannot continue after an eye poke, it should always result in disqualification?

 

[balkanbomber85]

Dont know, give me some more arguments

 

[JustBleed69]

Cause I can’t think of any. We’ve had too many title fights ruined because of it over the years just make eye pokes an automatic point deduction. If a guy fights with his fingers extended they will be forced to adjust

I personally think fighters should get one warning for any of the common, easily accidental fouls, however, on the second foul regardless of which one it is there should be an immediate point deduction. I also think that if a fight is ended due to a foul, even if it's the first one, it should be a disqualification and not a no contest.

 

[Pharenheit]

Because point deductions are supposed to be for intentional fouls.

If an eye poke is an automatic point deduction, should that also mean that in the event any fight cannot continue after an eye poke, it should always result in disqualification

Should be punitive to the offender but not that punitive. Intentional or not send a message to the sport that it won’t be tolerated

 

[GNRXI]

Foul is a foul. Gane should have been docked a point for his eyepoke—regardless of intentionality.

 

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[Fedorgasm]

I don't feel this way, but if I'm playing devil's advocate I'd say the downside is that fighters might "flop" like they do in soccer or the NBA, trying to draw the foul.

So every time someone punches their face they complain to the ref about an eye poke.

So you'd have to have instant replay to verify if there was a poke or not. And the argument against instant replay is always that it slows down the game/fight.

 

[ninja boot]

I pretty much wrote what the above poster did so instead i'll go with plan B which is for Dana to fire up a brand new promotion where all they do is poke and punches are grounds for point deduction. Couldn't be worse than SLAP

 

[Pharenheit]

I don't feel this way, but if I'm playing devil's advocate I'd say the downside is that fighters might "flop" like they do in soccer or the NBA, trying to draw the foul.

So every time someone punches their face they complain to the ref about an eye poke.

So you'd have to have instant replay to verify if there was a poke or not. And the argument against instant replay is always that it slows down the game/fight.

Could always dock a point for embellishment to the faker like they punish in hockey if it ever gets to that point

 

[Qays Stetkevich]

Fair take and I've been wanting your change for years now.

I personally think fighters should get one warning for any of the common, easily accidental fouls, however, on the second foul regardless of which one it is there should be an immediate point deduction. I also think that if a fight is ended due to a foul, even if it's the first one, it should be a disqualification and not a no contest.

 

[jeff7b9]

I personally think fighters should get one warning for any of the common, easily accidental fouls, however, on the second foul regardless of which one it is there should be an immediate point deduction. I also think that if a fight is ended due to a foul, even if it's the first one, it should be a disqualification and not a no contest.

sorry.

Best we can do is a stern warning for 3rd eye poke.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

No argument for me. I'm all for it.

 

[Thy]

I say forget the point deductions, just give the ref pepper spray and anytime someone eyepokes someone, the ref gives em a squirt to even the playing field and the fight goes on.

 

[TrueBias]

I don't feel this way, but if I'm playing devil's advocate I'd say the downside is that fighters might "flop" like they do in soccer or the NBA, trying to draw the foul.

So every time someone punches their face they complain to the ref about an eye poke.

So you'd have to have instant replay to verify if there was a poke or not. And the argument against instant replay is always that it slows down the game/fight.

I see nothing wrong with this and worth the price of slowing things down.

Cant stand watching on my TV a blatant fuck up or fake injury occurs, but an official who is right there, surrounded by other officials, plus, the audience watching at these arenas, cant get it right.

Every fake foul should get a point deduction.

 

[markg171]

Because point deductions are supposed to be for intentional fouls.

If an eye poke is an automatic point deduction, should that also mean that in the event any fight cannot continue after an eye poke, it should always result in disqualification?

Actually, I will accept automatic point deductions on the counter flipside that the fight must continue if you're giving the fouled fighter such an advantage as a 1 point lead any time one happens. Most fouls aren't as bad as Sherdoggers love pretending as they're unintentional meaning the fighter didn't actively try and harm the other guy. Eye pokes suck, but nobody's sitting there trying to jab fingers into fighters eyes with actual strikes like a movie fight.

Which is the more natural flow as 99% of the time usually fighters want to continue. Now they have no choice. This takes away from the crybabies who would try and abuse a foul to get out of a fight. You got your advantage on the cards, continue. And the fouling fighter is put at disadvantage to be more careful instead of thinking they don't need to care as their score will just continue dropping if they don't.

Obviously you would have exceptions like if a guy is obviously KO'd from an illegal knee, or their eye is visibly injured and needs immediate medical attention, you're not restarting the fight and that's where we'd keep the now RARE exceptions for DQ/NC.

 

[Hotora86]

automatic point deductions for eye pokes and groin shots​

100%

 

[Doctor Grudge]

I think the bigger thing is that eye pokes are mainly a problem in the UFC because of the gloves they use. They don't occur that frequently in other promotions.

 

[bjjwar]

Cause I can’t think of any. We’ve had too many title fights ruined because of it over the years just make eye pokes an automatic point deduction. If a guy fights with his fingers extended they will be forced to adjust

Point deduction is not enough, thats why fighters do it all the time. Fighting someone with a compromised sight is like fighting that guy at 20%. And for those saying yeah but some fighters keep going after getting poked is like me saying i can still drive with my head on the wheel, doesnt mean its safe and i wont have an accident bc of it.
Some football players kept playing for a few more minutes with a broken foot, but they were totally compromised and a poke is caused by an illegal foul.

Should be immediate dq if the fighters fingers are pointing out. Bc its literally impossible to do it unintentionally.

 

[bjjwar]

If i were Tom on the rematch i'd go straight to Gane's eyes all the time. Even say it at the press before the fight that the only thing i will do is to poke the sh** out of his eyes till he gets blind, no punch, no kick, just eye pokes and i'd dare anyone to say anything about it when Gane stops bc of being blind. Hell, i'd actually expect everyone to sh** on Gane, lets watch the hypocrisy of the mma world...