International West Bank thread

[Blayt7hh]

I miss when Liberals used to pretend to care about Ukraine, it was a lot less tedious.

I miss when conservative used to pretend to care about liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It was a lot more agreeable than this neocon repressive ideology you buy into now

 

[Blayt7hh]

I must admit, I feel very differently about the West Bank than I do about Gaza/Hamas. Its plain wrong. I avoided the west bank almost entirely in Israel,no interest. Not religious and I don't like the vibe - I noticed that seeing visibly religious Jews driving through Jerusalem was far, far more common than elsewhere in the country. I can fully imagine the stunts they pull, any religious fanatic is a crackpot to me.

I feel similarly. I supported intervention in Gaza after October 7th but I can’t support what they do in the West Bank. You do Israelis doing some truly unforgivable shit there. The US needs to clamp down on that or withdraw support.

Obviously, we can’t let Israel be overrun but it’s now my opinion that that’s where any and all support of them should end. Hamas is basically defeated so they don’t need to be starting Gazans still and the West Bank was never a part of this so they should make reparations for everything they did there since October 7th. I know it won’t happen though

 

[Daverisimo]

I miss when Liberals used to pretend to care about Ukraine, it was a lot less tedious.

What? People who are against an irredentist expansionist nation invading a smaller sovereign state are also against a genocidal expansionist ethnostate annexing more territory?

It just doesn't make sense...

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

This is how much the rest of the Muslim / Arab world things of the people in Gaza / West Bank.

TRT World - Israeli displacement of Palestinians to Jordan will be act of war: Amman

Jordan is preparing a legal file on Israeli incursions into holy sites in occupied Jerusalem, says the country's top diplomat.

www.trtworld.com

Jordon, Egypt, Syria, etc... none of them want them.

This from a guy gleefully cheering on ice

Question, do you think this might have something to do with not wanting to help Israel ethnically cleanse Gaza ?

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I miss when Liberals used to pretend to care about Ukraine, it was a lot less tedious.

The fact you think it's "pretend" says alot about you.

Lmao

 

[SurferH2O]

This from a guy gleefully cheering on ice

Question, do you think this might have something to do with not wanting to help Israel ethnically cleanse Gaza ?

Where did you get that I am "gleefully cheering on ice"? I've said repeatedly, that I want the criminal element out, but those that are here to work and contribute are not the ones I want ICE to go after. I want them here with a fast track to citizenship.

No. I think the Arab / Muslim nations don't give a crap about the loss of "Palestinian" lives. They can't stand the people and just don't want them on their soil.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Where did you get that I am "gleefully cheering on ice"? I've said repeatedly, that I want the criminal element out, but those that are here to work and contribute are not the ones I want ICE to go after. I want them here with a fast track to citizenship.

Great, but that's not what's happening is it , What's happening now is fuuuucked up , if you agree I apologise for misrepresenting/ misunderstanding your position

Having said that you can't see how a small country might not want to take in hundreds of thousands of destitute refugees for a reason other than hate ?

No. I think the Arab / Muslim nations don't give a crap about the loss of "Palestinian" lives. They can't stand the people and just don't want them on their soil.

What do base this extreme take on ?

My position is from having known people from pretty much every country in the region .

 

[Siver!]

Where did you get that I am "gleefully cheering on ice"? I've said repeatedly, that I want the criminal element out, but those that are here to work and contribute are not the ones I want ICE to go after. I want them here with a fast track to citizenship.

Trump's already said those guys who work hard and pay taxes and become endentured slaves won't get citizenship.

https://imgur.com/gallery/ice-exceptions-hotels-farms-2T4c2J2

What they do get is the opportunity to work at one particular place for the rest of their lives, with zero bargaining or negotiating power, no opportunity to go work elsewhere, all because they now need someone with "owner responsibility" to vouch for them.

Yea, he wants to reinvent slaves, with ICE going after any slaves that escape the farm.

 

[SurferH2O]

Trump's already said those guys who work hard and pay taxes and become endentured slaves won't get citizenship.

https://imgur.com/gallery/ice-exceptions-hotels-farms-2T4c2J2

What they do get is the opportunity to work at one particular place for the rest of their lives, with zero bargaining or negotiating power, no opportunity to go work elsewhere, all because they now need someone with "owner responsibility" to vouch for them.

Yea, he wants to reinvent slaves, with ICE going after any slaves that escape the farm.

I disagree with Trump on a lot of things.

We need a robust and simplified citizenship program for contributors. We also need a guest worker program for agriculture.

 

[SurferH2O]

Great, but that's not what's happening is it , What's happening now is fuuuucked up , if you agree I apologise for misrepresenting/ misunderstanding your position

Having said that you can't see how a small country might not want to take in hundreds of thousands of destitute refugees for a reason other than hate ?


What do base this extreme take on ?

My position is from having known people from pretty much every country in the region .

My "extreme" take is based on how the other Muslim / Arab nations treat the "Palestinians" when the have been on their land. Lebanon is just one example.

 

[Siver!]

I disagree with Trump on a lot of things.

We need a robust and simplified citizenship program for contributors. We also need a guest worker program for agriculture.

Then I'm sure you agree that Trump cannot be allowed to lead and enact such fascist policies.

Even if you think there's something to work with, having 'Not Hitler' running it can only be a disaster.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

- Had a attack yesterday. Israeli setlers atacked a Israeli military base. Maybe those israeli setlers are antisemite?

Must be according to chuds like Hereticbs , in a single post yesterday @HereticBD accused me of being a narcissistic antisemite no different from a neo nazi for not denouncing that singer from the other thread .

Some people are incapable of acknowledging that the extremists are the problem on both sides and that the current Israeli government is an extremist government doing horrible things

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

My "extreme" take is based on how the other Muslim / Arab nations treat the "Palestinians" when the have been on their land. Lebanon is just one example.

Governments have agendas , the people do not hate eachother, I've known some lovely Palestinians , they are just people I assure you .

 

[Koya]

The Israeli settlers in the West Bank basically are terrorists

They're attacking their own army and burning military centers because they feel they don't support them enough so yeah.

 

[Koya]

I remember walking though Ramallah and feeling the palpable tension which went on all day long basically. when the israelis felt like it, they'd yank the electricity, sometimes stop the water, for "security reasons". every time i went i stayed at the Movenpick and they had a separate generator and water reserve. i don't know if it's still around. people probably don't know it but the west bank living is quite better than Gaza, Gaza is absolutely a hellhole, like an outside prison.

each time i'd go to Ramallah i'd do the usual dance with the israeli army who guard the entrance towards the city, and i've never felt such hostility not even in war zones i ended up in my life like i did passing those checkpoints. i don't know how anyone who ACTUALLY went to Gaza and the West Bank can look at it and not feel the inhuman injustice of it all. i suspect the vast majority of people posting here have only seen pictures, but are very clever having an opinion.

you pass a modicum of life there and you have to forget that you're ALWAYS a target as a palestinian. above the city, the hills, about a mile away, have jewish settlements looking down on the palestinian buildings. sometimes they say, a sniper takes aim and has some fun.

and then you leave, pass the checkpoints, get on the highway north-west and in a couple of hours you're in tel aviv, which looks great, and can have a nice evening walking the seashore in Jaffa and sip lemonade while visiting art galleries. i've never gotten used to that experience. it's very close.

Wow. I felt that testimony.

A friend of mine went there too and he told me he was supposed to stay for a week but left on the third day because he couldn't stomach the israeli soldiers attitude against Palestinians and felt his anger was building up too much.

 

[SurferH2O]

Governments have agendas , the people do not hate eachother, I've known some lovely Palestinians , they are just people I assure you .

I am sure there are some great Palestinians, but as a group they are suicidal in their leadership choices.

 

[SurferH2O]

Then I'm sure you agree that Trump cannot be allowed to lead and enact such fascist policies.

Even if you think there's something to work with, having 'Not Hitler' running it can only be a disaster.

They are not fascist. You're hyperbole hurts your position.

 

[Koya]

A movie has been shot about this phenomenon. Palestinians call it "the occupation of time". Because the West Bank is divided into 3 areas, sometimes for the same village, there is an endless amount of checkpoint who make your life miserable.

 

[Siver!]

They are not fascist. You're hyperbole hurts your position.

But some of them legitimately are.

"Vouched for" endentured slavery is fascist. It can't not be. The way Trump thinks about it, and his vision, is crazy.

Anyway sorry I actually didn't realize we were in the West Bank thread, and I think that deserves the discussion here. No disrespect, I think we should turn to that.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I miss when conservative used to pretend to care about liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It was a lot more agreeable than this neocon repressive ideology you buy into now

The conservatism we grew up with is dead , the biggly most beautifulist bill ever was the last nail in the coffin imo