Weidman never proved he's better than Silva.

[BigDeadFreak]

I still can't understand why Silva clowned around like he did in that fight. Did he ever explain it?

 

[Sweater of AV]

I still can't understand why Silva clowned around like he did in that fight. Did he ever explain it?

Did you watch Anderson Silva fight?

 

[HHJ]

I still can't understand why Silva clowned around like he did in that fight. Did he ever explain it?

cos he was losing,and needed to con Weidman into making a mistake.

 

[Barteh]

Did you watch Anderson Silva fight?

I've watched almost all of his fights and whenever he clowned opponents it was in fights that he was comfortably winning already. I don't remember him clowning against Sonnen, Vitor or Hendo.

 

[Mind Mine]

cos he was losing,and needed to con Weidman into making a mistake.

Silva before that fight complained about being tired of the pressure of being champ. He fought sloppy and didn’t seem himself. People say he always fought like that. Hogwash. He fought like a man that didn’t care. Damn near as bad as Luke Bisping

 

[AMAZINGUFC]

Silva was past his prime in their first fight.
Silva lost the first fight due to showboating and not taking the fight seriously.
Silva lost the second fight due to a freak leg kick.

These three factors make Weidman's wins against Silva dubious at best.
I still contend that a focused, prime Silva circa 2010 destroys Weidman.

Love,
Oris79

 

[Sweater of AV]

I've watched almost all of his fights and whenever he clowned opponents it was in fights that he was comfortably winning already. I don't remember him clowning against Sonnen, Vitor or Hendo.

Not even close. Actually, you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. Go and watch the first round against Chris.

He clowned whenever he thought he could use it to his advantage and especially when he didn't feel threatened.

 

[Barteh]

Not even close. Actually, you're so far off the mark it's hilarious. Go and watch the first round against Chris.

He clowned whenever he thought he could use it to his advantage and especially when he didn't feel threatened.

I'm literally mentioning three specific fights where he didn't clown and you're telling me to rewatch a completely different fight to prove I'm far off the mark? Doesn't make any sense.

 

[Chagaev]

Silva before that fight complained about being tired of the pressure of being champ. He fought sloppy and didn’t seem himself. People say he always fought like that. Hogwash. He fought like a man that didn’t care. Damn near as bad as Luke Bisping

Silva was getting old, for the rest of his career he only won one iffy decision against Brunson and went to distance against Nick even if he was on the juice.

Weidman was better than old man Silva, not so sure if they would've fought a few years earlier.

 

[Sweater of AV]

I'm literally mentioning three specific fights where he didn't clown and you're telling me to rewatch a completely different fight to prove I'm far off the mark? Doesn't make any sense.

You literally made this statement, numbnuts:

I've watched almost all of his fights and whenever he clowned opponents it was in fights that he was comfortably winning already. I don't remember him clowning against Sonnen, Vitor or Hendo.

It's completely false. His clowning didn't start once he was comfortably winning. His clowning would start whenever he wanted to intimidate his opponent or believed he would benefit from it. He would also use it early sometimes to gauge timing, distance etc.

"Go watch the first round against Chris" means exactly that, go watch the first round.

 

[Mind Mine]

Silva was getting old, for the rest of his career he only won one iffy decision against Brunson and went to distance against Nick even if he was on the juice.

Weidman was better than old man Silva, not so sure if they would've fought a few years earlier.

Silva really didn’t fight as sloppy as he did against Weidman before or after. Even in his losses and feinting. He was old and voiced his frustration with the pressure of being champ. Not claiming dive. I’m saying heart and head not in it

 

[AtlSteel]

Yes he did.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Silva was past his prime in their first fight.
Silva lost the first fight due to showboating and not taking the fight seriously.
Silva lost the second fight due to a freak leg kick.

These three factors make Weidman's wins against Silva dubious at best.
I still contend that a focused, prime Silva circa 2010 destroys Weidman.

Love,
Oris79

Yep, works both ways.

Anderson clowned his way to a meme-level defeat, then broke his leg.

He certainly never showed he was better than Weidman.

On overall body of work, though, it's a no contest.

 

[Ibm]

Silva lost the first fight because he dont fight for belt anymore.

 

[Odoylerules22]

Silva really didn’t fight as sloppy as he did against Weidman before or after. Even in his losses and feinting. He was old and voiced his frustration with the pressure of being champ. Not claiming dive. I’m saying heart and head not in it

Heart and head definitely in the rematch, and he was getting beat up worse in that one before the leg break.

 

[Mind Mine]

Heart and head definitely in the rematch, and he was getting beat up worse in that one before the leg break.

I looked at it as slow start and Silva didn’t seem rattled or phased

 

[Juice]

Weidman was the most overrated fighter in the history of MMA all from two fluke wins.

 

[Barteh]

You literally made this statement, numbnuts:



It's completely false. His clowning didn't start once he was comfortably winning. His clowning would start whenever he wanted to intimidate his opponent or believed he would benefit from it. He would also use it early sometimes to gauge timing, distance etc.

"Go watch the first round against Chris" means exactly that, go watch the first round.

I'm aware of what happened in the first Chris fight. The whole argument as to why it felt off is because of him not clowning around in many important fights against seriously threatening opponents. That's how I see it but I don't really care in the end nor would I use it as an excuse. Silva was getting very old and Weidman was a bad matchup for him anyway. It's the way the fight game works. Everybody who goes on long enough ends up losing.

 

[Sweater of AV]

I'm aware of what happened in the first Chris fight. The whole argument as to why it felt off is because of him not clowning around in many important fights against seriously threatening opponents. That's how I see it but I don't really care in the end nor would I use it as an excuse. Silva was getting very old and Weidman was a bad matchup for him anyway. It's the way the fight game works. Everybody who goes on long enough ends up losing.

He clowned in the majority fights. The specific three you listed were instances where he didn't have the opportunity to do it to the extent he usually does.

He clearly didn't respect Chris' power, as seen in the first round. There are many instances in various fights where he clowned and got tagged but just walked through it. Maia, Okami, Chael II etc. This is obvious to anyone who has actually seen him fight. He thought he could do the same with Chris and paid the price.

I have no idea why you're now talking about his age. Yes, he was old but that's not what we were discussing. I'm not someone who thinks he was in his prime. He was clearly past it. You jumped into a discussion, were hilariously wrong, and are now babbling about something else.

As expected, this thread is full of idiocy.

 

[Barteh]

He clowned in the majority fights. The specific three you listed were instances where he didn't have the opportunity to do it to the extent he usually does.

He clearly didn't respect Chris' power, as seen in the first round. There are many instances in various fights where he clowned and got tagged but just walked through it. Maia, Okami, Chael II etc. This is obvious to anyone who has actually seen him fight.

I have no idea why you're now talking about his age. Yes, he was old but that's not what we were discussing. You jumped into a discussion, were hilariously wrong, and are now babbling about something else.

Agree to disagree, I don't really care that much about it and me discussing multiple different aspects of the fight doesn't mean I'm "babbling about something else".

I could easily point out though that he didn't clown in the majority of his fights. Can't remember a single instance of him clowning before the Leites fight, which was his 30th professional fight. Although you seem like the kind of guy to try and find one exception of Silva clowning earlier. Maybe the Jorge Rivera fight where he ate all those punches seemingly on purpose to show off?