Weidman never proved he's better than Silva.

[HHJ]

Silva before that fight complained about being tired of the pressure of being champ. He fought sloppy and didn’t seem himself. People say he always fought like that. Hogwash. He fought like a man that didn’t care. Damn near as bad as Luke Bisping

I'm pretty sure he would avoid getting his ass kicked,which is what was happening

 

[Sweater of AV]

Agree to disagree, I don't really care that much about it and me discussing multiple different aspects of the fight doesn't mean I'm "babbling about something else".

I could easily point out though that he didn't clown in the majority of his fights. Can't remember a single instance of him clowning before the Leites fight, which was his 30th professional fight. Although you seem like the kind of guy to try and find one exception of Silva clowning earlier. Maybe the Jorge Rivera fight where he ate all those punches seemingly on purpose to show off?

Oh you're agreeing to disagree?



You can disagree with being hilariously incorrect all you want. That's your problem, not mine. This was your claim:

whenever he clowned opponents it was in fights that he was comfortably winning already.

That's clearly bullshit and you have no idea what you're talking about.

And yes, no shit, we're talking about his UFC run but he certainly was clowning well before Leites. Let me know if you want examples or if you'd like to just stop here instead of continuing to look like an idiot.

 

[Ibm]

His performance against Machida was his best win IMO

 

[ChangeIsComing]

Silva was past his prime in their first fight.
Silva lost the first fight due to showboating and not taking the fight seriously.
Silva lost the second fight due to a freak leg kick.

Silva was at the end of his prime sure.
Silva was always a show boater period, his entire career he was like that, Chris just trained for it and caught him.
Yes but it is unlikely Silva would have beaten Weidman, just a bad matchup for him.

 

[Here's Johnny!]

Silva was at the end of his prime sure.
Silva was always a show boater period, his entire career he was like that, Chris just trained for it and caught him.
Yes but it is unlikely Silva would have beaten Weidman, just a bad matchup for him.

2015 weidman vs 2009 Anderson.... Anderson claps him up easily... weidman was never that good especially after usada

 

[RandyCouture>U]

I like both fighters and Silva is my goat but Silva goofed and paid the price. Chris fought smarter and thus won the fight. Second fight was a freak accident sure. But that's why you take every fight seriously. Had Anderson taken the first fight seriously and won, Chris might not get a rematch

Chris 1 Silva 0

But of course Silva had a better legacy and is a better all around fighter but that one night they fought....Chris was better.

 

[Mind Mine]

I'm pretty sure he would avoid getting his ass kicked,which is what was happening

Everything about it looked sloppy and pretty uncharacteristically careless. I wont go as far as to say intentionally loss or anything like that. Old disgruntled at that point and head not in the game. There are moments with Silva he just stops giving a shit and he will do some truly goofy shit.

 

[HHJ]

Everything about it looked sloppy and pretty uncharacteristically careless. I wont go as far as to say intentionally loss or anything like that. Old disgruntled at that point and head not in the game. There are moments with Silva he just stops giving a shit and he will do some truly goofy shit.

To lure Weidman in.

 

[ThunderStruck]

While Weidman got the win legitimately, I will still say that I highly doubt he would have beat him if Silva wasn't putting on one of the most unforgivably dumb performances in mma history.

I seriously cannot think of a more embarrassing loss than that and it is a massive blotch on Anderson's resume. Years later, Anderson put on another one of the worst performances I have ever seen again against Bisping in yet another "deserved to lose but result was still baffling" showing which again sounds a lot better on paper for Bisping than it was in reality. People will argue that "Anderson clowned all the time" but it was absolutely never on this level when fighting someone with actual power; he sure as shit didn't try that against Vitor or Henderson.

While Weidman "deserved the win", I still think time has proven that he was never some "new breed" fighter and was much more of a "right place at the right time" champion whose resume really didn't age well at all. Every single one of his defenses was against someone past their prime (Vitor's body seriously looked like a used condom in that fight) and all of those guys were beaten more decisively before and after he beat them. Then the minute he started facing more contemporary competition, he started losing badly.

Weidman = decently well rounded fighter with somewhat suspect cardio and honestly not that much heart. While he will live in history for being the one to end Anderson's streak, he is not a top 5 all time MW IMHO (but that doesn't exactly make him a Matt Serra fluke either). Anderson = much better fighter but one who was definitely proven to have mental lapses in the cage (like Werdum who has also had some unforgivable losses)

You sound a bit biased bro.

 

[kuroro]

Chris and Anderson fought for 12 and a half minutes between two bouts. In those 12 and a half minutes Weidman knocked Anderson down twice, put Anderson in two submissions, knocked Anderson unconscious, and broke Anderson's leg.

If the two bouts were one full bout, and went to decision, the scorecard would have seen two 10-8 rounds scored for Weidman due to the knockdowns and submission attempts alone.

... if that isn't a beating, I'm not sure what is.

On planet earth, we all know Anderson broke Anderson's leg. And what submissions? What are you smoking? Weidman had some gnp in both fights, but it was mostly defended anyway. That's about it.

 

[kuroro]

How does it prove that “the guy who BEAT him is not as good as him?”
Silva may have had the better career, but Weidman owned his ass head to head.

...Because his career was nowhere near as good? You basically answered your own question.

 

[dmwalking]

Silva was past his prime in their first fight.
Silva lost the first fight due to showboating and not taking the fight seriously.
Silva lost the second fight due to a freak leg kick.

These three factors make Weidman's wins against Silva dubious at best.
I still contend that a focused, prime Silva circa 2010 destroys Weidman.

Love,
Oris79

Which was the last fight where Silva was in his prime?

 

[BigDeadFreak]

Did you watch Anderson Silva fight?

Yes but I'd never seen him do it that much before. It was like prime Grobbelaar.

 

[HHJ]

Yes but I'd never seen him do it that much before.

Cos he was gettin dominated/

 

[Hypetrainofthemonth]

2015 weidman vs 2009 Anderson.... Weidman STILL wins easily... Multiple time PED failure Silva was never that good especially after usada

Fixed your post for you, as I'm sure you didn't mean to be as embarrassingly wrong as you were. You're welcome though!

 

[Superzorro]

Because people age differently for a variety of reasons. Look at Mike Tyson. You’ve got Tyson fanboys who claim he was out of his prime by 23.

So you pretty much just ignored everything I said and made a random statement that, upon further examination, proved my point even more. Mike Tyson can be out of his prime at 23. Anderson Silva can’t even be out of his prime at 38, when his physique and performance have clearly been shown to visibly diminish.

 

[Superzorro]

He broke his leg because Weidman checked it. Ray Longo trained Weidman to check kicks that way. He called that type of check “the destruction.”

If you don’t think getting your leg broken in half by your opponent is brutal, there is nothing else to say, except you’re just a butthurt racist.

I agree that Weidman would have won the second fight regardless. Silva was as old then as Weidman is now. But let’s not pretend there isn’t a very low percent chance that technique results in a leg break. Not Chris Weidman or any other Serra-Longo fighter have ever repeated that result, and they for sure have been checking leg kicks since.

 

[HHJ]

His performance against Machida was his best win IMO

Great fight

 

[wookie brawl]

Weidman was in the right place at the right time. He's a tenth of the fighter that Silva was.

Weidman beat Silva (unbeaten in the UFC at the time), prime Machida and trt vitor. He was stronger and outsmarted them all. Your comment is baseless and highly bias.

 

[Starman]

I agree that Weidman would have won the second fight regardless. Silva was as old then as Weidman is now. But let’s not pretend there isn’t a very low percent chance that technique results in a leg break. Not Chris Weidman or any other Serra-Longo fighter have ever repeated that result, and they for sure have been checking leg kicks since.

The move wasn’t designed to break legs 100% of the time, it was designed to cause excruciating pain. It’s no different than any other strike in boxing or MMA, all of which are designed to cause damage, and in rare cases, produce knockouts. (To save arguments from retards, I do not mean KO’s are rare, only that they are rare in relation to total punches vs total number of KO’s).

It isn’t luck (good or bad) when fighters execute maneuvers they have trained, or when they fail to execute. It’s success vs. failure.