Was Shogun a quitter like Bo?

[MadTitan]

I really hope one day soon someone dribbles your lifeless carcass off the ground.

If a pro fighter is put in a compromising situation and wants to tap to strikes, that's their prerogative.

You should be banned for fighter bashing

I agree with everything you said. The problem is that people don’t have this attitude when it comes to most fighters. A lot of other fighters would get raked over the coals for tapping to strikes even once.

 

[MadTitan]

Shogun is a quitter, but it's fine to quit after you've been beat. It's like giving up in chess when someone has checkmate instead of playing it through. It saves your health. Sometimes you should tough it out and look for a win, and sometimes you have to quit to fight another day. It is what it is.

Technically Bo never tapped to strikes so who knows if he's a quitter. Actually what I saw was Bo started throwing hard when he was getting tagged, like he should've done from the start.

Exactly. Sometimes it’s not your day, or a particular opponent is too good. There is no honor in taking a worse beating than necessary just to lose anyway. Some posters here are like the guys who get shot for refusing to give up their jewelry during a robbery. It sounds badass to some people, but it’s more stupid than brave.

 

[Fight Professor]

Sometimes fighters do not tap out consciously, it just happens as a reaction.

 

[AmonTobin]

Sometimes fighters do not tap out consciously, it just happens as a reaction.

An involuntary spasm.

 

[Mind Mine]

Thinking the beating Shogun received from Bones wouldn’t make 99.9% of sherdog tapping is the funniest shit I have seen today

 

[meast]

Not like you are saying, but he was a front-runner like Overeem

 

[MMACro]

He couldnt even handle some 50kg junkie on the streets in Brazil, just allowed to get himself robbed
How is this even a debate with more evidence we got from fights

 

[DumpsterBaby]

Shogun got his ass kicked everyday since he was like 16 by the Chute Boxe guys. His prime was early because his training was way more intense than most. He still could hang into like his mid thirties though, which is fucking crazy considering how much abuse he’d taken in a short time.

And Pride didn’t test. Just saying.

 

[markantony20]

I really hope one day soon someone dribbles your lifeless carcass off the ground.

Fucking hell man

 

[markantony20]

TS has a PhD in instigating lol

 

[JustforBROCK]

Shogun is one of my all time favorites, but it bothers me that he has tapped to strikes multiple times. Against Jones he might get a pass because young Bones is on a different level from any other fighter. But I can’t think of any excuse for tapping to strikes against Paul Craig. Fedor didn’t quit while prime TRT Bigfoot was donkey konging him from the mount for a full round. Frank Mir didn’t tap when Shane Carwin had him in prone bone and beat him to within seconds of being the first death in the octagon.

But then I see Bo Nickal looking absolutely bewildered when he gets hit, running around desperately looking for a way out. Shogun never really quit like that.

So which type of quitter is worse? Tapping to strikes or looking for a way out when you could keep fighting?

Hurry ans log back into your main account so you can call yourself stupid in this thread

 

[Pequeño Corey]

I guess GSP tapped to strikes against Matt Serra, which is arguably even more embarrassing than tapping to strikes against Paul Craig, and GSP is unanimously top 3 goats, so maybe Shogun gets a free pass on this one too?

No it’s not arguable. Craig is a Hail Mary grappler who usually gets his ass kicked while waiting for a submission oppurtunity to materialize. Blatantly upkicked gelato bc he was getting his ass kicked so bad. I love that he submitted owl chinstrap and Jamal, but this is not a guy known for power in his hands. It is abso-fucking-lutely more embarrassing to have been pounded out by Paul Craig than Matt Serra.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

who here has actually been in a fight and punched in the face? shogun's accomplishments are legendary. i could care less if later in his career, he decided to stop eating unnecessary punches. lol.

 

[Mike]

It's so dumb to criticize people for talking to prevent long term brain damage, but then you're presumably ok with people tapping to things like chokes that generally don't cause long term damage.

It's illogical AF.

 

[Killer Kadoogan]

i feel tapping to strikes is less humiliating than getting shadow realm KOTOed stiff.. Getting Shad face meme immortalized is much worse.

exactly. and also embarrassment? coming from a poster here who has done nothing with their life? shogun tapping to strikes is embarrasing? lol. to who?

 

[Typrune Goatley]

It is what it is.

Shogun has one of the greatest resumes ever. He beat and fought so many great fighters. He is one of the most dangerous men that ever lived. Yes, he also did tap in a couple fights.

To be fair, Shogun had a few major surgeries and injuries around when he fought Jones and was an absolute zombie by the time he fought Craig. It might be different when you are so broken and fighting on nothing but heart.

I have personally been close to being TKO'ed a few times in MMA fights but thankfully I always kept moving and recovered to a neutral position so the ref saw I was still actively defending and let us continue. One time I was getting my head smashed so bad in the 3rd round and I seriously contemplated tapping. I could see the ref taking a close look yet I told myself "Hell no. I can't tap to strikes." I even thought of the stigma on the Sherdog forums of tapping to strikes and that literally might have saved me. I still lost that one by decision but I'm glad I didn't tap to strikes or get TKO'ed.

 

[Just Creed]

I doubt anyone on this forum calling shogun a quitter, would have taken an ounce of the punishment Shogun took from jones. I'd have taken a knee the moment i ate that knee at the very start.

Shogun fans need to chill out and stop feeding OPs like this.

 

[ocfightfan]

Well TS I would like to know what you have tried to do in your life that even approaches the difficulty level of any fight in Shoguns career?

 

[Tweak896]

Exactly. Sometimes it’s not your day, or a particular opponent is too good. There is no honor in taking a worse beating than necessary just to lose anyway. Some posters here are like the guys who get shot for refusing to give up their jewelry during a robbery. It sounds badass to some people, but it’s more stupid than brave.

Maybe for guys at HW with crazy power like Lewis, but someone like Shogun needs his head to use his striking and get placement right. That was a brutal beatdown nonstop from Jones, no shame in tapping at that point, ref was calling it anyways about the same time. Respect to Shogun he's a legend.