was Rampage vs Abidi considered an upset at the time?

[Yugo King]

Musashi beat Sapp why post that ?

Why not diss mma for a wrestler in Brock Lesnar to become champion ? SAME story, SAME scenario.

Morkevicious was a full time kickboxer too and mma fighter

Also what about mma fighters winning Grappling matches ?

 

[Yugo King]

Cyril's fights were entertaining as fuck. Dude was the bumswinging lord.



2 wins i think.

Bumswinging Lord .

The second win was him intentionaly headbutting Peter and wining by cut from the headbutt.

First one was a good punch when Peter dropped his guard amateur style throwing a not set up risky timed knee to the body

 

[Hagelslag2]

Bumswinging Lord .

The second win was him intentionaly headbutting Peter and wining by cut from the headbutt.

First one was a good punch when Peter dropped his guard amateur style throwing a not set up risky timed knee to the body

That headbutt he landed on JLB was pure poetry.

 

[Yugo King]

That headbutt he landed on JLB was pure poetry.

Is he Marrocan, we got plenty over here in FFM, they are "Fiesty", let´s call it AWA Arabs with attitude, though thy´re better described as North Africans a lil black in there too, Marroco Tunesia Algear.

 

[Yugo King]

That headbutt he landed on JLB was pure poetry.

He so got his ass kicked that fight but managed to cause the most severe injury, with a illegal strike, lol, Abidi for Ghetto President. He was so phisically inferior that night.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Bumswinging Lord .

The second win was him intentionaly headbutting Peter and wining by cut from the headbutt.

First one was a good punch when Peter dropped his guard amateur style throwing a not set up risky timed knee to the body

Wrong. Aerts threw out his back.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Musashi beat Sapp why post that ?

Why not diss mma for a wrestler in Brock Lesnar to become champion ? SAME story, SAME scenario.

Morkevicious was a full time kickboxer too and mma fighter

Also what about mma fighters winning Grappling matches ?

Because Sapp handled Musashi and only lost on a technicality.

This makes no sense. Lesnar was a wrestler (an amateur wrestler) which is why he was able to crossover to MMA successfully, like a million other MMA fighters. In theory wrestling is a good base for MMA, in theory wrestling is a bad base for kickboxing. And yet there are wrestlers who have had success against K1's elite.

What about it? First of all it would still be true that the level of striking in kickboxing is lacking. Second, most MMA fighters find success in ADCC rules, which is not something most BJJ people specialise in. If MMA fighters were routinely winning matches at the highest level in either a gi or nogi, then this would be an argument against the skill level of BJJ practitioners as compared to MMA fighters.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

MMA fighters are better at striking than kickboxers and have proved it by beating kickboxers at their own game. People talk about how "high level" the striking of kickboxers is and yet, when they fight guys who aren't even striking specialists, they don't look any better. On paper the kickboxer has all the advantages: they only train kickboxing while the MMA guy will have to juggle other skills, they almost always have far more fight experience than the MMA fighter, in most cases they've been training kickboxing longer than the MMA guy, the MMA guy may only have started striking within the last few years and lastly (according to the popular hagiography) they are the "best strikers in the world". All these factors would seem to make the gap between the MMA fighter and the kickboxer unbridgeable regardless of whether the MMA guy turns to kickboxing full time; and yet kickboxers regularly lose. Why? The answer is obvious, MMA has a better talent pool and thus better athletes, who can succeed against "k1 level" athletes regardless of rule set.

Consider kickboxing further debunked, again!

 

[Yugo King]

Because Sapp handled Musashi and only lost on a technicality.

This makes no sense. Lesnar was a wrestler (an amateur wrestler) which is why he was able to crossover to MMA successfully, like a million other MMA fighters. In theory wrestling is a good base for MMA, in theory wrestling is a bad base for kickboxing. And yet there are wrestlers who have had success against K1's elite.

What about it? First of all it would still be true that the level of striking in kickboxing is lacking. Second, most MMA fighters find success in ADCC rules, which is not something most BJJ people specialise in. If MMA fighters were routinely winning matches at the highest level in either a gi or nogi, then this would be an argument against the skill level of BJJ practitioners as compared to MMA fighters.

which wrestler did find success in kickboxing

let me give you a hint young kid, a mma fighter who wrestles in mma fights but has been training mma striking for years is NOT " a wrestler"




dumbass

 

[Yugo King]

MMA fighters are better at striking than kickboxers and have proved it by beating kickboxers at their own game. People talk about how "high level" the striking of kickboxers is and yet, when they fight guys who aren't even striking specialists, they don't look any better. On paper the kickboxer has all the advantages: they only train kickboxing while the MMA guy will have to juggle other skills, they almost always have far more fight experience than the MMA fighter, in most cases they've been training kickboxing longer than the MMA guy, the MMA guy may only have started striking within the last few years and lastly (according to the popular hagiography) they are the "best strikers in the world". All these factors would seem to make the gap between the MMA fighter and the kickboxer unbridgeable regardless of whether the MMA guy turns to kickboxing full time; and yet kickboxers regularly lose. Why? The answer is obvious, MMA has a better talent pool and thus better athletes, who can succeed against "k1 level" athletes regardless of rule set.

Consider kickboxing further debunked, again!

Name me each example of mma fighters being better and winning vs kickboxers ?

Thus far we have exactly ONE. Rampage vs Abidi.

I´m waiting.

Overeem and Shilt are kickboxers who trained out of the #1 kickboxing gym in the world of all times and did Shotokan/K1 before or at the same time they started mma, including competing in pro matches.

Plus Overeem was roided out of his mind during his k1 run.

 

[Yugo King]

yes mma right now has a FAR greater talent pool then kickboxing had, especially then kickboxing has now.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Name me each example of mma fighters being better and winning vs kickboxers ?

Thus far we have exactly ONE. Rampage vs Abidi.

I´m waiting.

Overeem and Shilt are kickboxers who trained out of the #1 kickboxing gym in the world of all times and did Shotokan/K1 before or at the same time they started mma, including competing in pro matches.

Plus Overeem was roided out of his mind during his k1 run.

You've outed yourself as a complete knownothing.

 

[Yugo King]

You've outed yourself as a complete knownothing.

bro I´m waiting on your answer


so you just wanted to fit in and saying k1 is overrated is a comon myth round here so you repeated it to chime in on the convos

 

[Hagelslag2]

MMA fighters are better at striking than kickboxers and have proved it by beating kickboxers at their own game. People talk about how "high level" the striking of kickboxers is and yet, when they fight guys who aren't even striking specialists, they don't look any better. On paper the kickboxer has all the advantages: they only train kickboxing while the MMA guy will have to juggle other skills, they almost always have far more fight experience than the MMA fighter, in most cases they've been training kickboxing longer than the MMA guy, the MMA guy may only have started striking within the last few years and lastly (according to the popular hagiography) they are the "best strikers in the world". All these factors would seem to make the gap between the MMA fighter and the kickboxer unbridgeable regardless of whether the MMA guy turns to kickboxing full time; and yet kickboxers regularly lose. Why? The answer is obvious, MMA has a better talent pool and thus better athletes, who can succeed against "k1 level" athletes regardless of rule set.

Consider kickboxing further debunked, again!

You definitely rubbed one out after writing this, didn't you? You sexual deviant.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Abidi was never a good kickboxer. He was a tough as nails brawler. His mentality got him where he got more than his skills did help him get there.

So let me get this straight, being a tough and severely under skilled brawler is all it takes to get two wins over a fighter who many regard as the kickboxing goat. Definitely a ringing endorsement of the kickboxing product.

 

[Snubnoze707]

You're on a slippery slope towards full blown troll status. Played out topic beat to fucking death over years. Go back to the Muay Thai thread and coddle Coca's sack ----->

 

[OngBakBoy]

Is he Marrocan, we got plenty over here in FFM, they are "Fiesty", let´s call it AWA Arabs with attitude, though thy´re better described as North Africans a lil black in there too, Marroco Tunesia Algear.

cyril is a french name

 

[Cocakillbana]

You're on a slippery slope towards full blown troll status. Played out topic beat to fucking death over years. Go back to the Muay Thai thread and coddle Coca's sack ----->

Is he (being presumptuous) wrong? The amount of participation in most things is important in ascertaining significance. I think JT's posts come from valid kickboxing disillusionment.

 

[Yugo King]

cyril is a french name

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Abidi

Morrocan.

I got a German name, am Croatian.

 

[Yugo King]

So let me get this straight, being a tough and severely under skilled brawler is all it takes to get two wins over a fighter who many regard as the kickboxing goat. Definitely a ringing endorsement of the kickboxing product.

Do you realize Keith Jardine and Sokoudjou have beat prime Forrest Griffin, Prime Lil Nog, Prime Arona but lost to 17-14 Houston Alexander ?

Let´s call it inconsistency. Or the Aforementioned Goodridge, got beat by every single top 20 kickboxer he fought, like 20 losses, but once beat Bernardo.

Abidi is a good fighter, stylistically he beats some loses to many top fighters, loose canoon, ruthless braweler at a higher level.

Look Abidis record

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Abidi

top wins vs Aerts and Ray Sefu, both steming from hail marry wild strikers, typical brawler. Still need to be high level to land it on that caliber of guys.

The top 20ish (in his very prime) win vs Chalid Arrab is his only other relevant win.

The second Aerts win was a freak injury or headclash, whatever of the two.

Aerts and Sefo both quickly after avenged the losses.

Top guy but not Elite.

And Rampages style is good vs Abidi, can handle a low kick, shell boxing good power puncher good counters vs swinging brawler.

Rampage got himself a top kickboxing win there.

But he beat Abidi. Not a top 20 all time guy. A wild anything can happen brawler.

In any case MMA striking is high level, however it doesn´t mean K1 itself is overrated.