Was Pride the most overrated organisation ever?

This is PRIDE.
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Wanderlei is only behind DC and Jones in the LHW, when he got into the UFC he already had suffered too much damage and the rules literally took away his best weapons. Wanderlei is probably the most CTE'd fighter ever, dude used to fight in vale tudo, knock out people with headbutts. Pride fighters used to literally train moves that then got banned in the UFC.
Rampage wasn't even the best PRIDE had and he still smoked Chuck. PRIDE Never Die. Stipe will never be the GOAT.
 
danny23 said:
Fixed fights, so yeah freak show and illegitimate organisation. UFC is so much better.
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Regurgitator, you got that from Chael. He surely didn't mention that his friend Dan Henderson lost in PRIDE to Wanderlei, Rampage, Big Nog and Silva.
 
You look at the big name UFC fighters pre Pride takeover and the big name Pride fighters and who did better?

Were were Matt Hughes, Chuck, Sylvia, etc by the turn of the decade? naturally "UFC" fighters started to dominant over time as they carried on coming though but ex Pride fighters had more sucess than UFC big names of the same era outside of 170lbs were no Pride division existed.

Anderson, Nog, Rampage, Shogun and Werdum all held UFC titles, Fedor beat Sylvia and Arlovski outside the UFC.
 
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You overrated your own opinion making a shitty statemente like this, so let me guess: your mommy gave birth to you in the last decade?
 
Goat St Pierre said:
Anderson was subbed by Japanese cans. So there's that
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So you say :
1) Anderson was mid-level fighter in Pride
2) Then went on one of the greatest winning streak ever in UFC
3) That means Pride had a lower level of competition

Okay got it, that makes sense !
 
Comments like this signal that times are changing hardcore fans we are getting older, more tired, while younger fans are getting dumber I never thought I would read someone calling Pride “overrated”
 
Some Pride fighters were on the decline before they came to the UFC. Some peaked when they came to the UFC.

Pride was the biggest organization in the world at that time, so it can't be underrated. Otherwise the UFC would've signed those fighters, and they tried for example with Wand and Saku, but couldn't get them.

The road back then was smaller shows like King of the Cage, which though was pretty good, and from there to Pride. The road now is smaller shows and then try to get to UFC.
 
Steve-French said:
Shogun had some wear and tear coming into the UFC, but to say his knees were shot is bullshit. He had surgeries, but was young enough to recover from them.

He also never won 3 fights in a row in the UFC until he started fighting guys out of the top 15. He got a title shot in the UFC after barley squeaking by old man Coleman and KO-ing a version of Chuck Liddell that couldn't take a punch anymore.

I'm not saying Shogun wasn't ever elite, but he tends to be overrated due to having one stellar year in Pride. Shogun like Cro Cop, Fedor, and Wand have fighting styles that work better in a ring with the Pride rule-set.
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Lol at thinking your knees somehow go back to normal after multiple surgeries.
 
Goat St Pierre said:
A lot of guys came to the UFC from Pride and were completely destroyed. Wanderlei, Cro Cop and many more. Fedor has a bad record fighting in the US. Unless you prove yourself in the UFC you never know who is legit. You can't take an organisation seriously where the referee wears an earpiece. Chael summed it up perfectly
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wildchild88 said:
Pride was and always will be the best organisation that MMA ever had.

Talent wise, the sport was only ten years old or so when pride was doing events. The talent in Pride at that time was better than in it was in the UFC, especially at LHW and HW.

They also had a lot of the best talent that came over from the UFC, eg. Barnett, Dan Henderson.. the list goes on and on.

Pride put on spectacle events, where the UFC marketed itself in a trashy fashion, kind of like porn or something..
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When I think about pride I cant imagine anything today measuring up to its hype as it did every single event. Idk if it was the miss matches, victory theme, crazy intro lady or 15/10 minute rounds, it was must see TV.
 
K1

Everyone pretended they were these amazing strikers. They actually sucked balls. Rampage showed them what's up. Overeem went in and owned those cans.

Their lighter weights, K1 MAX, were good. But their HWs like Schilt and Aerts were soooo overrated.
 
Goat St Pierre said:
A lot of guys came to the UFC from Pride and were completely destroyed. Wanderlei, Cro Cop and many more. Fedor has a bad record fighting in the US. Unless you prove yourself in the UFC you never know who is legit. You can't take an organisation seriously where the referee wears an earpiece. Chael summed it up perfectly
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Nope, the UFC is. Every time someone from outside comes in, it's absurd they could beat every UFC fighter in their weight class. Literally happens every single time.

Anderson Silva would "go back to Japan where the competition is easier"
lol @ these WEC guys coming in and beating the best UFC fighters!
LOL @ these TUF guys ever becoming champs (I was actually one of these guys). Still can't believe Forrest Griffin became champ.
 
Pride/Ufc late 90's to mid 2k was the golden era for the sport. Fighters with different looks, drastically different skill sets, guys who actually liked to fight(regardless of the money), and didn't pick and choose fights. I also liked the fact they ALL did roids which evened the playing field, and the lowest class was 155 and no chick fights. The good ole days.
 
Goat St Pierre said:
A lot of guys came to the UFC from Pride and were completely destroyed. Wanderlei, Cro Cop and many more. Fedor has a bad record fighting in the US. Unless you prove yourself in the UFC you never know who is legit. You can't take an organisation seriously where the referee wears an earpiece. Chael summed it up perfectly
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Wow, 7 pages with zero likes.

Looks like your smear campaign failed.
 
ctelooming said:
Shogun had shot knees when he came over and still won the strap. People noticed Fedor declining right around the Arlovski fight (don't forget all his sambo matches in between which add more wear and tear). Liddell had more success in the UFC than pride. I'm sure the cage versus the ring factored in for some fighters, but mostly it was wear and tear by the time they got to the UFC IMO.
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Fedor wasn't hit with anything but push kick by Arlovksi in their fight. The slide in technique/training/motivation was showing in the Brett Rogers fight though.
 
TheMessiah said:
GSP was overrated
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He was rated the number one WW in the UFC (ie the WW champ). For that not to be true, it means he wasn't really champ.

Now if someone says say Fitch (who was never the WW champ) was the top rated WW in the UFC, then that person would be overrating Fitch. A simple Google of who the UFC champs were can settle these kinds of questions.
 
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