Was Pride the most overrated organisation ever?

ExxA said:
didnt Chuck KO Overeem and some other schmuck before he got KO'd by Rampage? if thats right that means he was 2-1 in pride.. hardly call that Destroyed.
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Just Overeem in that tournament. But he had a PRIDE fight against Mezger a couple of years prior, so he’s 2-1 overall.
 
BFoe said:
Just Overeem in that tournament. But he had a PRIDE fight against Mezger a couple of years prior, so he’s 2-1 overall.
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yeah like i said, 2-1. What a bum getting knocked out by rampage.
 
TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle said:
For its time it was probably the strongest MMA promotion, competition wise. Especially at HW. And when it comes to spectacle and presentation its still yet to be topped. It had a larger than life feel and a great balance of legit stuff and freakshows.
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MW (LHW) was also much deeper in Pride. UFC had Chuck, Tito, Randy...and not much else. Pride had Wanderlei, Shogun, Arona, Lil Nog, Overreem, Rampage, and Guy Metzger.
 
JustBleed69 said:
You're criticizing me, buy you can't even spell the man's name properly.
I'm not hating on his style at all, from an entertainment standpoint it's great, but for becoming an elite talent it is not very efficient.
Dude got brutally KTFO several times and/or got easily out grappled when he faced tougher opposition.
As far as my username, have you ever heard of the concepts of irony, satire, or comedy?
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Pretty much everyone had holes in their game back then. Wanderlei wasn't a great defensive wrestler, that's true, but name one person that submitted him.
 
ExxA said:
yeah like i said, 2-1. What a bum getting knocked out by rampage.
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Definitely not. But the fact that it happened demonstrates that PRIDE had legit talent. Rampage, Fedor, Anderson, Wanderlei, Shogun, Nog, Overeem, Werdum, Hendo, and plenty more.
 
BFoe said:
Definitely not. But the fact that it happened demonstrates that PRIDE had legit talent. Rampage, Fedor, Anderson, Wanderlei, Shogun, Nog, Overeem, Werdum, and plenty more.
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Oh i agree with that, should check my sig. I just didnt agree with the statment that Chuck got destroyed.
 
ExxA said:
Oh i agree with that, should check my sig. I just didnt agree with the statment that Chuck got destroyed.
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Ah, gotcha. That’s fair.
 
Pride was incredible , if you didn’t watch it at the time and try to watch it in hindsight you can’t appreciate the true experience
 
Pride had the best HW Roster in 2000's.

Fedor, Mirko CroCop, Nog, Werdum, Hunt etc. They would've destroyed UFC's HW fighters in mid 2000's.
 
Bad Karate said:
"Nobody won those fights" -Chael Sonnon

It's hard to rate an organization know for fixing fights. Who knows who wouldve won those fights
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PRIDE had a heavy pro wrestling influence initially, the entire promotion was started based on the popularity of pro wrestling. The early PRIDE events had some "worked" or fixed fights. But that really only lasted for the first few events, you could typically tell a fight is fixed by watching the fight, which seems like a lot of people on this forum don't actually do.

Based on actually watching every single PRIDE event in its entirety, I would say that the way Gary Goodridge (who's much more credible than Chael Sonnen, who wasn't actually there during the PRIDE days btw... Chael is just stating his troll-y opinion, no different than anybody giving their opinion on this forum tbh) described it seems to be the most accurate. He said PRIDE 1, 75% of the fights were fixed. PRIDE 2, 50%. PRIDE 3, 25%. PRIDE 4, 10%. And it just kept going down from there. Past those first 4-5 events, it's hard to pinpoint any other clear fixes. Not sure if those numbers are accurate, I would say they aren't entirely, but if you watch those shows, you could pretty much see which fights were fixed and which fights weren't, and the number of fights that were fixed do seem to go down the way he described it, until eventually, every fight was legit. If you watch the shows beyond the very early days/first few PRIDE events, you really can't say any other fights were fixed.

So I'm not sure why some people genuinely believe that *most* PRIDE fights were fixed (well I am sure, it's because MMA fans are morons) ... it was like 5-10 fights in the first few events, and that's it. But just watch the fights. Unfortunately, those early fights gave PRIDE this false reputation for putting on "fake" fights. The early UFCs had some fixed fights as well, for the record. Doesn't mean anything. Again, I would love it if people would just watch the fucking fights instead of talking out of their ass.
 
SouvlakiSpaceStation said:
PRIDE had a heavy pro wrestling influence initially, the entire promotion was started based on the popularity of pro wrestling. The early PRIDE events had some "worked" or fixed fights. But that really only lasted for the first few events, you could typically tell a fight is fixed by watching the fight, which seems like a lot of people on this forum don't actually do.

Based on actually watching every single PRIDE event in its entirety, I would say that the way Gary Goodridge (who's much more credible than Chael Sonnen, who wasn't actually there during the PRIDE days btw... Chael is just stating his troll-y opinion, no different than anybody giving their opinion on this forum tbh) described it seems to be the most accurate. He said PRIDE 1, 75% of the fights were fixed. PRIDE 2, 50%. PRIDE 3, 25%. PRIDE 4, 10%. And it just kept going down from there. Past those first 4-5 events, it's hard to pinpoint any other clear fixes. Not sure if those numbers are accurate, I would say they aren't entirely, but if you watch those shows, you could pretty much see which fights were fixed and which fights weren't, and the number of fights that were fixed do seem to go down the way he described it, until eventually, every fight was legit. If you watch the shows beyond the very early days/first few PRIDE events, you really can't say any other fights were fixed.

So I'm not sure why some people genuinely believe that *most* PRIDE fights were fixed (well I am sure, it's because MMA fans are morons) ... it was like 5-10 fights in the first few events, and that's it. But just watch the fights. Unfortunately, those early fights gave PRIDE this false reputation for putting on "fake" fights. The early UFCs had some fixed fights as well, for the record. Doesn't mean anything. Again, I would love it if people would just watch the fucking fights instead of talking out of their ass.
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Didnt read lol
 
SouvlakiSpaceStation said:
Don't care, I'm hoping someone with a brain reads it so they can potentially offer an intelligent response, whether they agree or disagree. I just used your dumb post to state my opinion on the topic, don't really care for what you have to say about it.
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You getting angry and typing essays on an organization known for fixing fights would prove you do care.
 
SouvlakiSpaceStation said:
Don't care, I'm hoping someone with a brain reads it so they can potentially offer an intelligent response, whether they agree or disagree. I just used your dumb post to state my opinion on the topic, don't really care for what you have to say about it.
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I agree, I don't even buy that there was that much fight fixing, but well if Gary and Chael say so, I guess they had. Always stated that superior product with most entertaining fights.
 
SouvlakiSpaceStation said:
PRIDE had a heavy pro wrestling influence initially, the entire promotion was started based on the popularity of pro wrestling. The early PRIDE events had some "worked" or fixed fights. But that really only lasted for the first few events, you could typically tell a fight is fixed by watching the fight, which seems like a lot of people on this forum don't actually do.

Based on actually watching every single PRIDE event in its entirety, I would say that the way Gary Goodridge (who's much more credible than Chael Sonnen, who wasn't actually there during the PRIDE days btw... Chael is just stating his troll-y opinion, no different than anybody giving their opinion on this forum tbh) described it seems to be the most accurate. He said PRIDE 1, 75% of the fights were fixed. PRIDE 2, 50%. PRIDE 3, 25%. PRIDE 4, 10%. And it just kept going down from there. Past those first 4-5 events, it's hard to pinpoint any other clear fixes. Not sure if those numbers are accurate, I would say they aren't entirely, but if you watch those shows, you could pretty much see which fights were fixed and which fights weren't, and the number of fights that were fixed do seem to go down the way he described it, until eventually, every fight was legit. If you watch the shows beyond the very early days/first few PRIDE events, you really can't say any other fights were fixed.

So I'm not sure why some people genuinely believe that *most* PRIDE fights were fixed (well I am sure, it's because MMA fans are morons) ... it was like 5-10 fights in the first few events, and that's it. But just watch the fights. Unfortunately, those early fights gave PRIDE this false reputation for putting on "fake" fights. The early UFCs had some fixed fights as well, for the record. Doesn't mean anything. Again, I would love it if people would just watch the fucking fights instead of talking out of their ass.
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I definitely agree with this...then when you factor in the "show" aspect of it with huge flashy entrances or getting all the fighters on stage all at the same time and introducing them and then the yakuza connections, I find people tend to hype up the whole fixed fights aspect. Completely out of proportion to what it was really like.
 
PrideUltimate said:
I agree, I don't even buy that there was that much fight fixing, but well if Gary and Chael say so, I guess they had. Always stated that superior product with most entertaining fights.
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In its entirety, there were very few fixed fights compared to real ones. But the early events definitely had some fixed fights. Gary was there so he'd know, Chael saying there were fixed fights means nothing lmao. He's also a known troll, he says shit to get a rise out of people a lot of the time and people take him seriously.
 
Matt Conley said:
I definitely agree with this...then when you factor in the "show" aspect of it with huge flashy entrances or getting all the fighters on stage all at the same time and introducing them and then the yakuza connections, I find people tend to hype up the whole fixed fights aspect. Completely out of proportion to what it was really like.
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100%. Once PRIDE really got going, during its peak... let's say 2002-2006, the fixed fights were well behind them and pretty much every fight was legit. I can't think of any fight that was fishy or off in some way beyond the first few events in the 90s.
 
Fixed fight happen in all orgs whether you dumbasses like to believe it or not.

Try to tell me the Griffin-Rampage wasn't a fixed and boring ass fight..
 
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