Media Was Jones tripping DCs legs when he was hurt sign of huge fight IQ

[faustian]

In order to be the best or greatest you have to win within the rule set, when you cheat you are (Or should be in this case) disqualified thus losing or forfeiting the contest. Like lance armstrong, he is the highest performing athlete but not the greatest as he shouldn’t have been awarded his wins due to cheating.

Whether some of his opponents were also cheating or not is irrelevant as they too are disqualified. I would agree that Jones is the greatest cheater/juicer in mma though easily.

same story with anderoid and Fedor.

Fedor?

 

[Kha'bless]

I would think it was common sense, if someone didn't do that it'd be low IQ.

 

[kuroro]

I mean, Yes obviously lol.

"Was it smart to trip DC up and finish him?"

okay and is doing the smart thing against elite competition in front a million billion people easy?

 

[kuroro]

I would think it was common sense, if someone didn't do that it'd be low IQ.

no, it would be normal iq

 

[giantveggie]

Besides the ped-controversy, I don't think anyone could disagree.

I didn't realize there was controversy about it. I thought it was clear, he used PED's and has throughout his career and is not the greatest.

https://www.sherdog.com/news/news/V...Levels-Before-UFC-182-Highly-Suspicious-80631

 

[thobra]

I am a fan of Jones, and love to watch him fight, but the «masterful fight IQ» and «brilliant mind» talks Are going a bit far...

Tripping someones legs and finishing them is a good move, but we have to remember that he fought an overweight pretty one dimensional wrestler with very bad cardio.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

Who knows. We don't. As we don't know to which degree the other fighters are clean.

I agree, but he’s unique in that he was given a free pass when others weren’t. He was allowed to fight with elevated pico levels and even had an entire UFC event moved from Vegas to LA because of this preferential treatment.

Also, how many people do you think on Sherdog consider his second fight with Cormier as a no-contest? That fight is remembered as a knockout, even though he clearly cheated.

 

[Masturbin]

but we have to remember that he fought an overweight pretty one dimensional wrestler with very bad cardio.

Peak sherdog

 

[Nate banged my mom]

Bones is the greatest lhw that has ever walked on planet earth. Anyone saying otherwise is delusional

apparently he didn’t think so feeling the the need to juice and tarnish his entire legacy lmao you pathetic cuck keep gargling his coom

(if I get a yellow I get a yellow)

 

[Prince Nephilim]

His fight IQ is unquestionable. The fact he's finds a way to win by out gaming his opponents strength everytime is a testament to that.

Just the GOAT being the GOAT

 

[CRuck1980]

No it does not,

Silva and Jones were victims of themselves but greatness is still greatness. Also who some considers great is subjective, meaning your opinion or mine means absolutely nothing.

The PEDs hurt him in my eyes but that damage is mitigated by the fact he still hasn't lost

 

[JosephMerrick]

I hate Jones, but that was genius and one the most brilliantly refined moves I've ever seen in the octagon.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

I am a fan of Jones, and love to watch him fight, but the «masterful fight IQ» and «brilliant mind» talks Are going a bit far...

Tripping someones legs and finishing them is a good move, but we have to remember that he fought an overweight pretty one dimensional wrestler with very bad cardio.

DC was not overweight, he was in the best shape of his life. DC beat Gus, Rumble, Volk and tumbled Henderson. He was also an undefeated HW/ Strikeforce HW Champion coming down to LHW...and we all know how stacked Strikeforce was. Future double champion!

Give credit where it's due. Just because you aren't a fan of other fighters doesn't mean you have to downplay accomplishments. Be smart.

 

[snaportap21]

I miss young jones who use to utilize a lot of his wrestling technique and his suplexIng of opponents.

Was a pleasure to watch, no one use to do what he use to do in grappling.These young baby’s on here don’t know.

it was crazy seeing him ragdoll hammil especially. i feel it's harder to get those takedowns on elite competition, and it uses a lot of energy why jones doesnt use them much. i remember his output in his first 2 ufc fights was significantly lower in the 3rd round.

 

[kflo]

Yes it does, because it reinforces the believe that without his PEDs he isn't nearly as great. It's not like he's old like Anderson. The dude is 33.

same age fedor started losing....

 

[kflo]

I didn't realize there was controversy about it. I thought it was clear, he used PED's and has throughout his career and is not the greatest.

https://www.sherdog.com/news/news/V...Levels-Before-UFC-182-Highly-Suspicious-80631

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...lling-the-truth-jones.4143555/#post-162371187

people (including Conte) complained that jones samples needed CIR testing back in 2015. which happened and came back clean.
https:/sports.yahoo.com/news/nevada-commission--jon-jones-tests-results-show-no-signs-of-doping-013131428.html
https:/bleacherreport.com/articles/2323898-nsac-director-bennett-cit-testing-done-on-jones-sample-all-came-back-clean
Dr. Christiane Ayotte, the head of the WADA-accredited laboratory in Montreal, saw no problem with Jones' T/E ratio.

One way to manipulate a T/E ratio downward would be to take epitestosterone, but Ayotte said that would be easily detected in a screening.

"I read the interviews of 'specialists' on that topic [in MMA media accounts], and, well, I am sorry, but such T/E values are not at all abnormal," she said. " … The administration of epitestosterone is easily detected. It does not give a small increase that looks natural, but a huge peak that is very difficult to control. I have seen only one case of attempted masking with epitestosterone and it was readily detected.

"Epitestosterone is not metabolized rapidly and stays high. An epitestosterone urine sample does not look like the ones you sent me."

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[thobra]

DC was not overweight, he was in the best shape of his life. DC beat Gus, Rumble, Volk and tumbled Henderson. He was also an undefeated HW/ Strikeforce HW Champion coming down to LHW...and we all know how stacked Strikeforce was. Future double champion!

Give credit where it's due. Just because you aren't a fan of other fighters doesn't mean you have to downplay accomplishments. Be smart.

Oh, Nobody is saying DC is not a good fighter. A very strong wrestler, that used his wrestling to beat a lot of guys, and a good fighter of his time. As a fan of Jones, I do still believe he was lucky with the timing. Several ageing stars both at LHW and HW. You had guys like Cormier, that was very good at one thing, but not too good in other areas, and always struggled past the third because of bad cardio. I don’t think DC could compete against all the top LHWs today, and I don’t think Jones had amazing fight IQ.

Jones has great physical attributes, real toughness and a very strong psyche. I think it will be tougher for him in the future, as the division is better.

 

[Vec-Tron]

Jones has so many positives as a fighter and so many negatives as a human being.

More positive tests than any fighter ever also.

 

[CasualBot]

Yeah, trips are real "masterful" IQ shit



(nothing like a thread on a technique that didn't work)

 

[Ramon Antonio]

same age fedor started losing....

Fedor was an undersized heavyweight. Jones is an oversized LHW on PEDs.

Also, Fedor's losses are all legit losses too except the early one with the illegal elbow and the cut. So no complaints from me if someone wants to say Fedor is not the greatest because of those losses.