Was Edmond tarverdyan that bad of a coach?

[Belaya Smert]

Strangely enough, Tim Kennedy implied something similar!

I never got over him failing to find Hitler.(alive)

 

[StonedLemur]

Wasn't he the main trainer of Vic Darchiyan?




Manny went from Gokor to Edmond and Ronda got obsessed with training at Edmonds because he rejected her in the beginning.



What about his boxers, I know he trained Art and Vic. Did he have any decent boxing/kickboxing guys?

Not that I know of sir.

 

[don't ask]

Has he had any successful fighters other than Ronda? And what exactly did he improve in her game? Certainly not her striking. She was already a world class grappler and armbar specialist.

It's actually amazing how good Ronda was without decent training or ever improving her skillset.

I agree. It's crazy that she rose to the top and she's still an example of wasted potential.

 

[Thepaintbucket]

Are some students just not trainable? Is it really Sensei Edmond tarverdyans fault Ronda kept corking her head to the left while throwing a barrage of uncoordinated punches? I'll let the audience decide

I can tell you one thing though, Glendale fighting club was not a real gym to train at for adults nor was it a dedicated MMA gym. I mean sure, he had a couple of his buddies train there but that doesn't necessarily constitute calling it a dedicated gym for adults, let alone a MMA gym. No b*******, I kid you not, the gym was primarily an after school karate kid mcdojo. In fact Edmond didn't even believe in her when she first showed up at his doorstep (his words) like a wounded animal after placing bronze in judo.

But just like Dana white, Edmund started to see dollar signs burning through his eye sockets to a point where he just couldn't resist anymore. So Sensei Edmund took her under his wing and taught her everything she already knew about judo

 

[Ogata]

Yes Champ, yes he was that bad

Your username is funny because they played a prank on edmond with a doll of count dracula and 20 percrent discount coupon for eyebrow waxing.

Yeah,

Watch him holding pads for ronda - really did not give her a reality check with simple things like holding pads.

Also, his ridiculous proclamations about ronda's skill and his skill - ronda dropping pro boxers, him being able to beat Aldo, that if he fights he's going straight to the ufc (to fight the best).

See that's the thing. He says some seriously dumb shit. I always wondered if that is the reason why he is said to be a shit trainer or that he is doing something wrong on the technical side of things.


Pad work is important and there was one Clip in which he threw a counter, she didn't duck but that's because it was above her head. But I am not sure if that was the only thing or he does things wrong in his training.


To his credit, he has fought in kickboxing. I assume he would have some skills to pass on to his students.

 

[Iroh]

Was he really that bad or is it because of his personality that people say he is the worse coach.

Travis Browne's game went to shit when he moved to Edmond's gym. That's the clearest example I can think of.

Edmen Shahbazyan was a promosing prospect foe a while, not sure what happened though.

 

[Bluesbreaker]

He turned the best fighter and grappler the division had ever seen, into the worst striker the sport had seen in decades.

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

He went bankrupt after Ronda's first loss. That tells us all we need to know.

Sounds like he believed in her to me!

 

[Dr Fong]

Edmond is simply John Kavanagh's Armenian alter ego.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Was he really that bad or is it because of his personality that people say he is the worse coach.

You ask the dumbest questions possible.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

Ronda Rousey - retired on a two fight losing streak
Travis Browne - retired on a four fight losing streak
Edmen Shahbazyan - 3 fight losing streak didn't win again until he left Edmond's camp

those are his only known fighters lol

 

[Prologue]

It's a tossup between him and Fabia for bottom of the barrel.

Edmund top, Fabia bottom confirmed

 

[Gandulf]

I think it's a bit more complicated than whats being said. A friend of mine used to be friends with Edmund. Said he was a friendly guy, and a decent trainer for lower to mid level guys, not everyone is ready for the big stages. Just like there is a huge difference between blackbelts, there's a huge difference between coaches. That's why most of the top fighters train at top gyms.

For instance, in Curitiba, there's maybe 100 mma gyms, if not more, with guys competing everywhere in the regional circuit. Check for gyms with fighters in the UFC, and suddenly there are only 4 or 5 gyms. Go to gyms with 2 or more fighters in the UFC and suddenly there's only 2. Not every coach can handle top talent, egos (including their own), and business.

Not denying her talent, but Ronda is also a POS human being (through her upbringing/ her mom), that can't be told no, that is an asshole towards anyone that isn't on her level of success. She would have gotten a reality check at AKA, ATT, Elevation, Kings, wherever she would have gone. Edmund was a nice guy being starstruck that tolerated her behaviour.

 

[Ogata]

You ask the dumbest questions possible.

You have the dumbest responses ever.

Edmen started training martial arts at his gym. He was not some super wrestler who joined a camp like AKA. The fact that he had a student with no martial arts experience and made it in the UFC with Edmonds training says something.

 

[Ogata]

I think it's a bit more complicated than whats being said. A friend of mine used to be friends with Edmund. Said he was a friendly guy, and a decent trainer for lower to mid level guys, not everyone is ready for the big stages. Just like there is a huge difference between blackbelts, there's a huge difference between coaches. That's why most of the top fighters train at top gyms.

For instance, in Curitiba, there's maybe 100 mma gyms, if not more, with guys competing everywhere in the regional circuit. Check for gyms with fighters in the UFC, and suddenly there are only 4 or 5 gyms. Go to gyms with 2 or more fighters in the UFC and suddenly there's only 2. Not every coach can handle top talent, egos (including their own), and business.

Not denying her talent, but Ronda is also a POS human being (through her upbringing/ her mom), that can't be told no, that is an asshole towards anyone that isn't on her level of success. She would have gotten a reality check at AKA, ATT, Elevation, Kings, wherever she would have gone. Edmund was a nice guy being starstruck that tolerated her behaviour.

That actually makes sense. I mean people make Edmond sounds like Fabia which is extremely unfair. Also he fought in kickboxing. That and as far as being a trainer goes, he has tons of technical issues but he gets in there and holds pads and puts in the work. Lot of trainers I met charge tons of money and just stand there and bark out combination while watching you on the heavy bag.

The issue with Edmond is that, he talks himself up too much which can be off putting. It sometimes made me wonder if Edmond is a horrible trainer because he really is the worse or him trying to grap the limelight.

 

[SuperNerd]

There is lots of extreme exaggeration around Edmond, but he's not very good.

Ronda's mom would talk about how Ronda would have to go to the gym, and just work the bag for months and Edmond wouldn't work with her. Basically ignored her. She had to prove herself like some fat dude paying his monthly gym fee. Ronda showed up like a dog hoping to get approval.

We are talking a multi-generational talent, with an Olympic medal.

Then

He turned the best fighter and grappler the division had ever seen, into the worst striker the sport had seen in decades.

 

[Gamer2k4]

We are talking a multi-generational talent, with an Olympic medal.

Let's not get carried away with "multi-generational talent." Every four years, there are at least two judo players in her weight class that will do better than she did in the Olympics. And she was only successful in MMA for six years, with absolutely no one putting her at the top of any rankings list these days.

Ronda had the talent to get an Olympic medal, sure. But so do lots of people. Heck, so do lots of MMA fighters. Ronda's MMA success came at a time when the roster was painfully shallow, and ended as soon as the general talent improved. You don't see that was ACTUAL multi-generational talent - fighters that remain successful even as new fighters replace the old ones.

 

[acannxr]

Was he really that bad or is it because of his personality that people say he is the worse coach.

He thought that Rousey's boxing was at an Olympic level and also believed that he could defeat Jose Aldo in MMA, so to answer your question: yes, he was really that bad.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

His game planning was terrible, his alleged striking skills were never displayed by any of his fighters, good fighters who went to his camp became bad fighters, Ronda never learned ANYTHING aside from her judo and Edmond wasn't even responsible for her knowing judo, and he was accused multiple times of financial fraud, which seems perfectly in line with his fraudulent coaching

 

[Fedorgasm]

rondamom sounds like a very difficult person to deal with, but imo she’s right about edmond. ronda was a big fish in a small pond. she would have been successful anywhere, and probably would have lasted longer with a better coach.

Ronda might still be the champ if she had trained with ANY legit ufc-caliber camp.

To this day there's nobody on her level of grappling in wmma. And she had a very good work ethic, arguably better than the current crop of wmma fighters, and was very coachable, so there's a high probability that she would've become a decent to good striker. Certainly good enough to survive with Holly and Amanda on her feet long enough to find a takedown.