Was DC a better boxer than Fedor?

HHJ said:
Fedor was mostly oppurtunistic with his takedowns. He would usually take a guy down only when they got fucked up by his strikes or he ended up in a good position when he got inside on them to hurl them towards the mat.

Like he stood up with Arlovski, but when Arlovski kicked him he grabbed Andrei's foot for a second, considering a TD off that.

Obviously it would be easier to beat all those guys from the top position but he's prepared to stand for how long as it takes.
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im out striking a prime cro cop in a ring is the most ridiculous feat, people really don't remember how good Cro Cop was at cutting off angles and sniping dudes. Fedor just stood with one of the best in the world without problems. They think the Strikeforce Fedor was the same guy.
 
Croaker said:
im out striking a prime cro cop in a ring is the most ridiculous feat, people really don't remember how good Cro Cop was at cutting off angles and sniping dudes. Fedor just stood with one of the best in the world without problems. They think the Strikeforce Fedor was the same guy.
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That was some serious high level striking by both men in the first half of that round.

When rd 2 started, Fedor just started fucking him up with impunity in the standup
 
Frode Falch said:
I know. That was my point. Both him and dc look strong and capable. Six pack abs dont win fights
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You wouldnt think Fedor can do such RJJ feats of distance covering with such speed but he can !
 
DanDragon Machi said:
Honestely I think DC faced more great strikers than Fedor in his career

Most guys Fedor was smashing were grapplers. He could match with Crocop striking what was amazing, but he took the fight to the ground for a good part of the time. Hunt he basically won taking to the ground too. Maybe Arlovski was the only great boxer than Fedor won 100% on foot.

DC on another hand beaten Gustafsson in a fight that was almost 100% on foot. He knock Miocic out in the first round and was beating him for at leart four rounds in the revenche. IMO DC striking credentials are better
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DC couldn't block basic body shots from Stipe. He didn't have the basic awareness and skill to recognise and adjust to a very simple attack. Stipe, who's NOT a great boxer any means, contantly wacked him to the body after seeing DC had no answer till he gave up. A good boxer would've countered and/or blocked the attack but DC ate them with no defense and then got KO'd. I don't see Fedor lacking this awareness and skill to adjust. Whenever he was on the back foot he had the ability to counter and make his opponents respect his striking. No dent on DC though, he's a wrestler but let's not pretend he had above average striking in any department.
 
Boxer? Yes. DC had better hands.
Kickboxing? No. Fedor was a much more polished kickboxer and a better OVERALL striker.
 
shylockslayer said:
DC couldn't block basic body shots from Stipe. He didn't have the basic awareness and skill to recognise and adjust to a very simple attack. Stipe, who's NOT a great boxer any means, contantly wacked him to the body after seeing DC had no answer till he gave up. A good boxer would've countered and/or blocked the attack but DC ate them with no defense and then got KO'd. I don't see Fedor lacking this awareness and skill to adjust. Whenever he was on the back foot he had the ability to counter and make his opponents respect his striking. No dent on DC though, he's a wrestler but let's not pretend he had above average striking in any department.
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It's not that DC didn't or couldn't block basic body shots. It's that for the most part they didn't bother DC. And by the time they started to bother DC it was too late. The damage was done.

Same exact thing has happened to me in the gym. I'll eat 30 body shots like cupcakes then bam I get popped in the diaphragm and lose my breathe. Then I'm getting punched in the stomach and I can't breathe. Then the next clips my liver and I freeze and go down. It took 4 rounds of damage before stipe's shots affected DC.

And Stipe isn't a "great" boxer but he's definitely above average in the boxing department for MMA. He's a competent boxer and knocked out Maldonado who is actually a professional boxer while being a MMA fighter..
 
Bend NvR Break said:
It's not that DC didn't or couldn't block basic body shots. It's that for the most part they didn't bother DC. And by the time they started to bother DC it was too late. The damage was done.

Same exact thing has happened to me in the gym. I'll eat 30 body shots like cupcakes then bam I get popped in the diaphragm and lose my breathe. Then I'm getting punched in the stomach and I can't breathe. Then the next clips my liver and I freeze and go down. It took 4 rounds of damage before stipe's shots affected DC.

And Stipe isn't a "great" boxer but he's definitely above average in the boxing department for MMA. He's a competent boxer and knocked out Maldonado who is actually a professional boxer while being a MMA fighter..
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That's why I said he lacked the awareness to read the situation. A good boxer would've adjusted and skilled one would've avoided altogether. DC is neither and set himself up. These attacks and hits build up gradually and he didn't respect them. Not a dent on DC as he's wrestler and he has never shown any boxing skill of note.
 
HHJ said:
You wouldnt think Fedor can do such RJJ feats of distance covering with such speed but he can !
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Yeah and he kicks like superlek, and his wrestling is like khabib and khamzat combined.

And dont forget about his punching power that are easily about the same as wilder.
 
I'd pick a 2005 Fedor over Cormier in any kind of a stand up fight. Boxing or kickboxing. I don't see any version of DC beating 2005 Mirko in a stand up fight either. DC was getting hurt from Frank Mir and old Anderson Silva body kicks. He also had trouble with Stipes body punches. Prime Mirko would have exploded DCs liver IMO.

Strikeforce Fedor? I'd favor prime DC over Strikeforce Fedor in a stand up fight. Fedor was sloppy by then and DC was very fast and powerful. Wouldn't go well for Strikeforce Fedor IMO.

Prime for prime Fedor had faster hands than DC and used Soviet boxing style and had better whip on his punches. DC had a more traditional western boxing style and had better jab and had cleaner, basic fundamentals if you go by pure American/ western boxing technique.
 
I'd pick a 2005 Fedor over Cormier in any kind of a stand up fight. Boxing or kickboxing. I don't see any version of DC beating 2005 Mirko in a stand up fight either. DC was getting hurt from Frank Mir and old Anderson Silva body kicks. He was also having problems with Stipes body shots. Prime Mirko would have exploded DCs liver IMO.

Strikeforce Fedor? I'd favor prime DC over Strikeforce Fedor in a stand up fight. Fedor was sloppy by then and DC was very fast and powerful. Wouldn't go well for Strikeforce Fedor IMO.

Prime for prime Fedor had faster hands than DC and used a Soviet boxing style and had better whip on his punches. DC had a more traditional western boxing style and had better jab and had cleaner, basic fundamentals if you go by pure American/ western boxing technique.
 
I'd say Fedor had more proven boxing. Perhaps not technically, but Fedor seemed naturally faster and had better timing with his punches than DC. DC's boxing is nothing special, I think a lot of people just have memories of him knocking out Stipe.

DC was definitely a wrestler first by a long shot.
 
Doctor Grudge said:
I'd say Fedor had more proven boxing. Perhaps not technically, but Fedor seemed naturally faster and had better timing with his punches than DC. DC's boxing is nothing special, I think a lot of people just have memories of him knocking out Stipe.

DC was definitely a wrestler first by a long shot.
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Don't forget knocking out Big Foot after Big Foot beat Fedor
 
Johnnny said:
Fedor benefitted greatly from the fact that Pride FC wasn't modern MMA. It was founded as an offshoot of professional wrestling with varying degrees of kayfabe. When Fedor fought under the unified rules in an octagon, he struggled to adjust to legitimate competition and ended up being mostly a punching bag.
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And to support this argument you posted 5 fights, 2 of which he won and another 2 of which he was 40+ years old in? Fedor is 10-1 against UFC champions, how is that not legitimate competition?
 
Subline said:
And to support this argument you posted 5 fights, 2 of which he won and another 2 of which he was 40+ years old in? Fedor is 10-1 against UFC champions, how is that not legitimate competition?
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Anyone posting like him is either trolling for engagement, or doesn't have the brain to have a decent conversation either, so your best bet is usually to ignore them.
 
WoozyFailGuy said:
Anyone posting like him is either trolling for engagement, or doesn't have the brain to have a decent conversation either, so your best bet is usually to ignore them.
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He doesn't post anything else
 
DC would 100% not stand with Fedor. DC had pretty good boxing technique but it was nothing like Fedor. I suspect Fedor has a good chance of beating him in a ring, but gets smashed in a cage
 
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