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It's not relevant what Tyson or Foreman are talking as older men. They wanted to fight each other at that time.
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Was comeback Foreman a scam?
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You got scammed on brain cells if you think that comeback was a scam
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Always wondered about that fight did look bit suspect. Hats off to Foreman just for coming back at his age. Cooney fight was fun.
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it was, but people seem to think fat old Foreman was better than the young version, he wasnt, and doesnt have any wins that suggest that
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Oh, he certainly wasn’t better than young Foreman. Young Foreman was a wrecking ball.
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when you lived throught that era you know what it was. Foreman saw a small, tiny guy taking his old job and he came back JUST to fight Tyson (and to make some money) he was calling out Tyson right from early in his comeback. George has always been weird about the things he says, and his false modesty. He's deceptive, that doesn't make him evil but he just doesn't have a problem complimenting other fighters or saying how good another fighter was. He did it in the 80's too, if you watch "Champions Forever" he was over complimentary of Joe Frazier and Ken Norton, both fighters he demolished without a single worry. He claimed Joe threw a hook that missed him and that's what spurned him to knock Joe out because he thought he'd get seriously hurt if he didnt, that's bullshit. Joe did manage to get a couple good hooks off but George wasn't in any real danger in either fight. And Ken, Ken didn't do a thing with all the hype he got off of beating Ali, didnt' do a thing.
And Tyson, I only read accounts of Tyson begging King not to make the match, I was skeptical then and I'm not sure now if that was true. But, Foreman wouldn't have needed to worry about looking for Mike, it would have been a similar matchup to Frazier only Mike didn't throw quite as many punches, had power in both hands.
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it wasn't a fix, old George still could hit and he tricked all of us. No one, as Gil Clancy, "only God and George" knew about that right hand. No one expected it after George lost just about every round. Gil even questioned his power shortly before the knockout, asking if his legendary power had abandoned him along with everything else, then, BOOM!
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Young George had way more potential but old George was wiser and smarter.
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You're probably right it's just the way Moorer went down and was lying there I thought looked odd. Reminded me of the stories about Jack Johnson v Willard.
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Tyson was so arrogant at that stage, no one could tell him anything. Easy to see how he got himself straight to prison not long after.
George was obsessed with Tyson, everyone was, football players wanted to fight him, he was kinda like gracie when he won the first couple UFC's, everyone wanted to fight him. I knew a 70 year old man that was obsessed with fighting him.
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Would have been an interesting fight lol. Can see Old George weathering the early barrage and catching Young George later on basically like Ali did.
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It's understandable honestly. It was truly the rarest of things in boxing, a one punch knockout out of the blue when a guy is being soundly beaten. One punch kayos with no pre-kayo work done, no accumalitive damage are almost non-existent and this wasn't even that, George was landing all along, but it's still unusual, George wasn't hurting Moorer up until that round. He was taking a beating and that's about it.
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Old George would have been too smart, young George would have been exhausted after 6. But young George could have been a lot better. After so many kayoes, how's he gonna learn that not everyone will fall apart though? By losing to Ali that's how. No one can fight full throttle like that for more than a couple rounds. It's like sprinting, how long can anyone sprint at top speed? It's either pace yourself or exhaust yourself, that's natures rules.
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Gil Clancy thought the old guy was better. But both versions had major holes. Young George wasted so much energy that after a few rounds a baby could kayo him. But he was complete by the time he fought Ali, as far as technique, he had a full arsenal, power in every single punch, fast (norman mailer thought he was as fast as Ali in Zaire;he wasn't) and the one thing old George just didn't have, the ability to catch a runner like Ali and nail him to the ropes. Old George could pace himself for a long, tough, steady fight, knew not to burn himself out, use strategy and trickery, he also added crossed arm defense was probably as physically as strong or stronger than young George and could manhandle guys the same way BUT, he could not fight at any sort of heightened pace for any length of time and just could not throw enough to keep up with a young guy, that's why he was losing against Moorer and Holyfield, not because he didn't know what he was doing, he just couldn't do it. And, then, as I mentioned, he couldn't move anymore, he was a sitting duck. all that cutting off the ring was gone, his weight had made him to slow against someone using lateral movement and they'd just pepper him here and there while they moved into the danger zone and got out. If you can't catch Morrison and Schulz, not exactly peak Alis' there, you got problems.
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He’d wilt when he realized he couldn’t KO him early and Foreman’s size would wear him down.
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Maybe but Mike, especially at his peak, would've been favored to beat him.
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there were boxing people at the time who actually believed that, I think amongst them was al Bernstein and Wallace Matthews, I could be wrong about those guys but I thought they talked like tyson, post douglas, wouldn't be able to handle George.
I went to see the guy who claimed to spar George again today. I by all my car stuff at the autozone where this guy works at. He claimed to spar young George and run circles around him. I was skeptical because young george could cut off a ring. This man claimed to have worked with him when he fought moorer too, in what capacity, he didn't say but I'm sure he was retired as a fighter by then. Anyway, i told him about this thread and some of the people claiming Moorer threw the fight, he said mildly angrily, "you tell them Moorer needed 14 stitches inside his mouth from that punch" which I recall but didn't want to say that earlier in this thread because I didn't remember exactly how many stitches it was. It was a real punch.
We also talked about Joe Hipp and tommy morrison. He repeated the fallacy,at least I think it's a fallacy, that Morrison was related to John Wayne. I told him, "no he wasn't, he was just marketing himself as a white hope, he was a half-breed indian like me and he died his hair blonde". He went on to say something true, "everyone has to have something to sell". That's true, everyone's con, George was a huge con in his comeback. Claims he wasn't violent anymore, didn't have anger in his heart, smiled all the time, it was a con. I love the guy but it was a con.
