Warhammer 40k

Ballsaque said:
Which 40k books are worth reading biys
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I'm a fan of the old Dan Abnett ones.

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JBSchroeds said:
They should have done it like Super Mutants in Fallout. Doesn't matter what you are when you start the process, you come out a hulked-out roid-machine. The process is so totally transformational that it leaves you sterile and asexual.
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Don't think I want transsexual übermenchen killing machines in 40k. Imagine having to wonder if Abbaddon used to be a dude or not.
 
GtehMVP said:
Yeah, they could keep it isolated to tiny elements of the universe, then introduce something epic at the end. Hell, I would just have regular humans wake up on the ship from stasis and not know where they are, keeping the audience in the dark too. Everyone just thinks they are in some Cathedral complex. At the end bring in some Space Marines for a brief cameo/action sequence and pull the camera back to reveal the Space Hulk; everyone on board who survived whatever horror they fought gets sucked back into the Warp.

I'm reading Eisenhorn now. I think their X-files-ish approach to it will make for a compelling series for fans, and newcomers alike.

If Eisenhorn is done right, just imagine what else could be done. With so many streaming services hungry for content, it's the perfect time for Warhammer 40k to get wide exposure.

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I spose the problem with Space Hulk would be it would betray the Aliens influence a little too much, unless the design work REALLY stood out I could see it being written off as an Aliens clone.

A kind of space marine(although probably not called that) origin story would make for a decent outline, again something like that book from the early 90's starting off with one or more characters on a hive world being recruited somehow. They could I spose do something similar with an inquizitor or assasin.

40K does as you say have the advantage that the setting is quite opaque, that is knowledge of exactly whats going on is going to be quite limited to a low level character and you can tell a story of going "deeper down the rabbithole" rather than having a massive information dump.
 
Halge said:
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Don't think I want transsexual übermenchen killing machines in 40k. Imagine having to wonder if Abbaddon used to be a dude or not.
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...but you already said you don't know why SM were made explicitly male-only, which means you don't have a problem with the concept of female SM. Soooooo, what, in your mind, would a female space marine be like, considering the enormous amount of biological alteration involved in the astartes process? You can't possibly think that altering the female form to be the perfect warrior would leave them looking simply like a normal woman in power armor a-la SoB.
 
JBSchroeds said:
...but you already said you don't know why SM were made explicitly male-only, which means you don't have a problem with the concept of female SM. Soooooo, what, in your mind, would a female space marine be like, considering the enormous amount of biological alteration involved in the astartes process? You can't possibly think that altering the female form to be the perfect warrior would leave them looking simply like a normal woman in power armor a-la SoB.
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Women would make inferior space marines due to ... Nature. Male bodies are tougher. Denser bones and muscles, more test, faster muscle reactions.
Also, imagine a space marine with PMS or on her period.
 
ssBaldy said:
Women would make inferior space marines due to ... Nature. Male bodies are tougher. Denser bones and muscles, more test, faster muscle reactions.
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I agree with that in general, but 40k is chock full of handwavium and super-science bullshit. There's no reason the authors of the setting couldn't have just as easily said that the alterations are so invasive and complete that the starting form is less important than a candidate's mindset and mental fortitude; as long as they don't reject the implants the host's native biology isn't all that important. Having the implants be Y-chromosome dependent is a narrative choice, not a narrative imperative.
ssBaldy said:
Also, imagine a space marine with PMS or on her period.
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Pretty sure you're joking, but just in case: there's no way in hell those biological functions would remain intact post transformation.
 
JBSchroeds said:
...but you already said you don't know why SM were made explicitly male-only, which means you don't have a problem with the concept of female SM. Soooooo, what, in your mind, would a female space marine be like, considering the enormous amount of biological alteration involved in the astartes process? You can't possibly think that altering the female form to be the perfect warrior would leave them looking simply like a normal woman in power armor a-la SoB.
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In my mind, 40k adheres to the cardinal rule of Must Appeal To Teenage Boys, which means that a genetically enhanced woman would most definitely still look like a woman. Only more so. Like a professional crossfitter mixed with a really tall runway model, mixed with Shyla Stylez. I mean, I don't exactly expect 40k to be realistic.

Besides, why do space marines generally look like greek statues rather than like Ogryns? I've always thought of them kinda like the Emperor's attempt to fashion the perfect human, which includes attaining the perfect human form. Sort of like an instrument to propagate the notion of humanity's supremacy in the galaxy. He's always been a bit specieist, after all. If he'd developed an Astartes process for women, it is plausible it would be designed to make them look like perfect women for purely aesthetic reasons, even at the expense of not maximizing physical ability.
 
JBSchroeds said:
...but you already said you don't know why SM were made explicitly male-only, which means you don't have a problem with the concept of female SM. Soooooo, what, in your mind, would a female space marine be like, considering the enormous amount of biological alteration involved in the astartes process? You can't possibly think that altering the female form to be the perfect warrior would leave them looking simply like a normal woman in power armor a-la SoB.
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They only took the biggest strongest boys, so girls would never enter the equation. The only reason girls are being talked about is I said unfortunately if they made a movie today, there would be female space marines. Pointing out the over the top state of modern movies
 
Again if they wanted to have a lead female character they could make her an assassin, I mean even in universe thats one of the most powerful human fighters isnt it?
 
moreorless87 said:
Again if they wanted to have a lead female character they could make her an assassin, I mean even in universe thats one of the most powerful human fighters isnt it?
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Yes, but they can’t help themselves. The lead character would be a black female space marine.
I liked Nemesis, I’ve always liked ninjas
An inquisitor with some assassins would make a fun movie.
 
chance mccoy said:
Yes, but they can’t help themselves. The lead character would be a black female space marine.
I liked Nemesis, I’ve always liked ninjas
An inquisitor with some assassins would make a fun movie.
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Probably depends who is making it I'd say, if its non creative execs calling all the shots I could see them doing something like that specifically hoping to bait the fanbase into a negative reaction so the film/show can be seen as "politically important".

Honestly from my(admittedly now very dated) experience I don't think the Space Marines are really the most interesting part of the 40K lore, they suit war gaming well of course but if your going to be making a film/show an inquisitor or Assasin actually seems more interesting to me, more exotic setting, more linked into larger political/historical events and more room for moral complexity.

Probably the biggest choice would be how do you include in terms of antagonists? Chaos? Tyranids? Necrons? maybe even just Imperial infighting?
 
moreorless87 said:
Probably depends who is making it I'd say, if its non creative execs calling all the shots I could see them doing something like that specifically hoping to bait the fanbase into a negative reaction so the film/show can be seen as "politically important".

Honestly from my(admittedly now very dated) experience I don't think the Space Marines are really the most interesting part of the 40K lore, they suit war gaming well of course but if your going to be making a film/show an inquisitor or Assasin actually seems more interesting to me, more exotic setting, more linked into larger political/historical events and more room for moral complexity.

Probably the biggest choice would be how do you include in terms of antagonists? Chaos? Tyranids? Necrons? maybe even just Imperial infighting?
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An inquisitor with some Grey Knights purging cults on a corrupted planet could be fun. The GK only teleport in to smite fools, most of the film the inquisitor and crew investigating
 
chance mccoy said:
An inquisitor with some Grey Knights purging cults on a corrupted planet could be fun. The GK only teleport in to smite fools, most of the film the inquisitor and crew investigating
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I do think the main problem you'd have is that due to both the influences that go into 40k and indeed its own influences in pop culture(Starcraft, Edge of Tomorrow, etc) a good deal of the lore wouldn't really be THAT fresh.

Grey Knights do seem like they would be more interesting playing up the warrior monk aspect rather than just super soliders in power armor.
 
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