War Room OT Discussion v4

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Trotsky said:
I honestly don't understand why Conor is such a huge draw. Is it just because he's white and talks shit?

If it's just that, I'll watch Nate Diaz, or heaven forbid his GOAT brother, fight any day over Conor. They're more exciting and their trash talk is genuine.
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He's white, he talks shit, he has a fun style, and he's a legitimately outstanding fighter, plus luck is a huge factor because it kind of snowballs at some point (the hype itself becomes part of the draw, which then builds the hype more, etc.).

Trotsky said:
Well, even if you suppose that receiving (or rather soliciting) donations has no effect on policy stances, which I frankly think is a little obtuse to how fundraising and how politicking works, that doesn't change the effect of allowing more money to go to persons with certain positions on an issue and amplifying already-disproportionate political speech towards advocacy of positions helping large aggregations of power and capital.
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Yes, that's not relevant to my dispute with Viva (which is about the mechanism by which money affects politics) but it's a fair point in response to my response to Lead. That said, what actual changes have we seen since CU? And which of them can be attributed to that effect? Regressive tax cuts and deregulation is happening, but it's not popular among anyone--even Republican voters tend to acquiesce to that agenda in exchange for sending a message to minorities and coastal professionals. As I pointed out to @JudoThrowFiasco in another thread, the GOP tax bill wasn't sold to the public as a tax break for overburdened rich people; it was sold as boosting middle-class incomes. The fact that they feel the need to lie about it tells you all you need to know about who is winning the war of ideas.

Trotsky said:
Even if you deny the "corrupting" argument, it still has the same end result of bending the democratic process towards arguably non-democratic results.
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Non-democratic results = less-popular ideas winning rather than bad ideas being popular. That can be attributed to gerrymandering, the electoral college, consistently poor turnout by left-leaners (voter suppression is part--but only part--of that), and natural sorting. I don't think it can be attributed to CU.

Trotsky said:
You could make an argument about the optics, but I think its detrimental effect is undeniable. And I think the data on the rise in campaign spending reflects that. Campaign spending has continued to balloon even though disposal income per capita has plateaued.
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The factual basis for that this is off. Look at presidential elections:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...spending-how-2016_us_5820bf9ce4b0334571e09fc1

Here's nominal spending:

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Here's spending adjusted for real GDP growth:

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Obama might have by himself given the impression of a trend, but he just appears to be an outlier.

BTW, that doesn't go back before 1960, but 1896 was far higher than 2012 if you adjust for GDP.

Lobbying spending has been falling since 2009 (2010 in *nominal* terms). And I think that's because of research increasingly showing that it's wasted.
 
Edison Carasio said:
In the Roy Moore thread he said as long as a girl has had her period, it's ok to bang.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/a...results-thread.3675325/page-17#post-136676093
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The guy is either a simpleton or a troll. If that's him in the picture, I'm not surprised he's a :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia apologist.

And yeah, arguing that 12 year old girls are fit to have sex with adults is a :eek::eek::eek::eek:philia apology.

inb4 "uhh it's ephebophilia you ignoramus" to which, forever and always the reply should be:

 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
Lol how much of a bitch do you have to be to bring shit like that up to try to make me look bad?

You can scream til you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change biology
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So, you're a :eek::eek::eek::eek:phile apologist? Cool. A lot of deranged assholes think it's ok to have sex with 12 year old girls. Maybe someday you can run for Senate in Alabama.
 
Edison Carasio said:
How much of a bitch are you for promoting sexual relations between minors and adults?

Your opinion on EVERYTHING is invalid because you are clearly a sicko.
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The guy will just defend anything a Republican does. Remember that he's the same guy who flipped on the electoral college right after the election. :)
 
oleDirtyBast4rd said:
Federal law of consent is 16. Also I never promoted it. I specifically said I wouldn't want it for my hypothetical daughter. Did you purposefully ignore that?
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Why do you even bother? It's obvious that you have no sense of right and wrong beyond "Republicans are always right." If Trump raped your mother, you'd defend it.
 
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actually Tesla just crashed because of faulty auto pilot and defective battery. This just happened. I have been watching the stock all day. Been down around half a percent. I just checked again and down 7%. damn
 
Cubo de Sangre said:
Ford is under $12 currently.
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Actually Tesla is down actually 3%. Read that wrong. Still bad and dropping. CNBC reported something and the stock dived.

Yes, Ford took it on the chin recently. I have a few of those. They may be a good buy now.
 
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