War Room OT Discussion v3

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  1. HomerThompson

    HomerThompson Banned Banned

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    Wow, that's Rumble territory for sure. It really is such a shame too. I thought he beat Woodley, and he's shown great skill and heart like you said. If he had his shit together(hire a cook/nutritionist/whatever) he might be the 170 champ right now, and he would certainly be a much bigger star, and getting more lucrative contract and endorsement opportunities.
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Yeah, at this stage I think hiring someone to completely handle his diet and prepare his food would be the best investment he could make in his career.
    Admittedly he doesn't look like the sort of guy for whom staying super lean would come easy, but it's what he needs to do.
     
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    JonesBones Excuse my contraflow

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    1. Buy Tesla stock
    2. ???
    3. Profit
     
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    Why is there two meme threads?
     
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    Limbo Pete Fake History Man

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    It's an inside joke
     
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    Harmonica Strong, silent type

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    Citations?

    I've read everything he ever wrote and nothing suggested he was a hedonist. Unless you guys have some special definition of hedonism.
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    He defines Vanity as a form of hedonism:

    ..and he commends it:

    Along with other statements about pleasure:

     
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    TeTe PopoZão Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Bud?
     
  9. HomerThompson

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    I'm the only candidate who liked this post, Limbo. I think that's worth a vote.
     
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    JonesBones Excuse my contraflow

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    If you want to see the stock of your company soar, immediately announce you are in the blockchain business. Wow. This biotech company decided it wanted to be a blockchain company and their stock went from $8 to $23 in 5 days.

    RIOT it is called. another went from 1 to 6 in 5 days. MARA.
     
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    Harmonica Strong, silent type

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    Appreciating pleasure is not necessarily hedonistic in itself, although it can be. It all depends on said pleasure's origin.

    We are outside of the hedonistic sphere as long as we're talking about pleasure as the pleasant feeling which accompanies the growth of power. However, people sometimes either quit their quest for growth due to stumbling across a seemingly insurmountable obstacle and resort to deceiving themselves via simulating the growth of power by invoking pleasure through other means, or simply become conscious of the ingrained reward mechanism and decide to cheat by rewarding themselves unduly.

    A hedonist is a person who holds the latter type of pleasure in the highest regard; a person whose life revolves around chasing pleasure of this particular origin. To quote this one guy who put it nicely, "they pin the needle in their car's fuel indicator to 'full' just because it makes them feel better, and end up running out of gas prematurely" or "trick their stomachs to feel full, so that they never experience the emotion of hunger, and end up starving themselves to death."

    Having said all that, Nietzsche was not a hedonist by any stretch of the imagination. Neither his writings nor lifestyle suggest anything of the sort. Sure, he did consider pleasure to be important and deeply appreciated it, but only as a telltale of power's growth, not as a thing in itself.
     
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    snakedafunky Red Belt

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    @Deffid Did you watch the soccer on the weekend?
    I didn't really have time, so I turned the game off after 12 minutes because it was kind of boring.
    Did anything interesting happen after that? I didn't have time to check the scores yet.
    But I can't imagine this Derby will go down in history or anything.
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    That shift to subsuming the pursuit of pleasure under the growth of power is what characterises the evolution of Nietzsche's later philosophy though. Explicitly with On The Genealogy Of Morality and certainly in Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
    Earlier his philosophical framework for understanding human action revolved around the pursuit of pleasure, the avoidance of pain and, as the quotes I posted indicate, he conceived of the pursuit of pleasure as essential to the acts of highest value in human life. All of which is text book hedonism.
    The shift happened when his triangle with Lou Andreas-Salome and Paul Ree dissolved, and he started to be overtly critical of Ree's focus on hedonistic motivation and utilitarianism (which is essentially linked to hedonistic motivation) as a philosophy.
    I think you're conflating hedonism with the sort of "vulgar hedonism" which would include the retreat from rational behaviour into the comfort of narcotics. Nietzsche was always critical of that, but he nonetheless started out his description of human behaviour under a hedonistic framework.

    All of which only relates tangentially to Ayn Rand (who never credited Nietzsche's influence as far as I know), and not at all to Peterson. So if you want to continue this I say we take it to the OT thread.
     
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    @Jack V Savage

    I assume you're familiar with burton malkiel. Any thoughts? I just read his big book.
     
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    Deffid BURN THEM ALL #stillmyqueen

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    I just hope that Bosz will be history.

    After all it was just another shitty performance by us and another shitty derby draw worth one point, nothing more.

    What is pathetic is that everyone knew that we won't win after the first Schalke goal already, fucking disgraceful.
     
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    Fair enough, you defended your position thoroughly, that's why I liked your post with citations in the first place. It was obvious that you didn't have the crude understanding of hedonism in mind when you attributed it to his philosophy.

    My goal was nothing more than to defend him against the accusations of being a hedonist in the sense I described above, being that this isn't a specialized philosophy forum and people therefore tend to associate words with their conventional, mundane meaning.

    I wrongly presupposed that's what you had in mind when you labeled him.
     
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    Ruprecht Hands Of The Judges Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Well, I can't say that's what @Bullitt68 meant, but that's my undestanding of Nietzsche's hedonism.
    I wouldn't personally attribute Ayn Rand's personal failings to it, but then my opinion of Rand isn't very high.
     
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  19. Jack V Savage

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    He's a legend. Kind of a broad question, though. To some degree, I think he's like Voros McCracken, who's a former amateur baseball analyst who first made and effectively defended the claim that pitchers don't vary in their ability to prevent balls in play from becoming hits. It revolutionized how people analyze pitchers and more importantly pointed people in the direction of effectively analyzing defense statistically. Hugely important discovery, and McCracken is also a legend. But his discovery wasn't, strictly speaking, correct. It's more accurate to say that annual variations in the ability of major league pitchers (pitchers who are particularly bad at this don't last) to prevent balls in play from becoming hits is much smaller than the variations due to luck, park effects, and team defense. I think that pretty much applies to what Malkiel is most famous for (and note that he's done a lot of good work besides that). Like McCracken's DIPS (defense-independent pitching statistics), it's good enough for most people, but it's not the whole story. Cliff Asness is someone you might want to read to get more of it (and I don't endorse everything he says--actually have some big disagreements with him), but for your own purposes, Malkiel is good enough.
     
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    I hope I'm not imposing too much but I believe the source of pleasure was the feeling of "I will"- the (false) perception that one's conscious mind has power or makes decisions.
     
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