War Room Lounge v82: I have watched alcohol ruin many people. Thanks for your interest Mr. Problems.

[Gregolian]

That reminds me of a conversation I had with a co-worker who was a bouncer on weekends (a 6'3" 330lb black dude). He said all the big bouncers were tough guys and can handle themselves (he worked legit places that hired pros) but he laughed and said that the head dude was like 5'9" and when he came out it's when real shit was about to go down. He was an ex Navy Seal and a black belt in Judo, I think and also a cop. He laughed because he said he was tougher than all the NFL sized dudes combined. He also told me this guy absolutely destroyed people but only got involved when it was serious (like a dude swinging a broken bottle or something). Basically if you were causing serious harm in his club you bought yourself a trip to the hospital when he got in there.

The last place I worked my manager was a smaller guy but he hired guys that all had like BJJ or active duty military experience so when things went south he didn't have to step in.

 

[kpt018]

The last place I worked my manager was a smaller guy but he hired guys that all had like BJJ or active duty military experience so when things went south he didn't have to step in.

Smart. BJJ is perfect for that stuff if you hire the right guys. They can subdue assholes without hurting them and avoid the lawsuits.

Hire the big dudes to intimidate people and keep them from misbehaving. Hire the real bad asses for when things go bad.

 

[Gregolian]

Smart. BJJ is perfect for that stuff if you hire the right guys. They can subdue assholes without hurting them and avoid the lawsuits.

Hire the big dudes to intimidate people and keep them from misbehaving. Hire the real bad asses for when things go bad.

I remember dumping a dude onto cement and him trying to come back at me and just shoving him hard into a concrete barrier and knocking the wind out of him.

Another dude I kicked out for grabbing up on girls and the whole time he's like "I'M A MARINE WANNA GO" while I have him in a half nelson/chicken wing and he's on his tip toes.

 

[Andy Capp]

Lol! Ok bud. You’re the one sea lioning me here. Everything I said is easily available online.

This is not about a criminal case, it’s about impeachment, which is political. My view is there’s easily enough evidence to impeach Trump based on the Mueller report, holding back funds from Ukraine for personal gain and using the office to profit.

My post earlier about Rick Gates’ testimony that Trump used Stone as an intermediary for wiki leaks stuff establishes a coordinated effort with Wikileaks and not just pure luck some outside entity happened to help his campaign. If you’re asking about a criminal case you have to find someone else because I’m not a lawyer.

I do think the impeachment hearings, which start this week, will influence people (voters). Hopefully it will influence people at the margins (swing voters) because his cult is immovable.

Will republican senators vote for removal? I’d bet against that, but it’s possible. Maybe Dems do a great job with the hearings and informing the public and if the media does its job maybe that makes the situation untenable for Republicans in the Senate.

We good? Am I missing anything?

Fuck man, put down the pipe. Yes, you're missing everything. I'm not sealioning and I resent the accusation. I'm asking a perfectly straightforward question of fact because I don't know the answer, the events having transpired over a long time. I thought perhaps you knew the answer since you were so sure that revelation was "bad" but you won't even acknowledge the question. You still don't appear to understand my point. Here, maybe if it comes right from Roger Stone himself you'll begin to understand.

"I'm unfamiliar with that e-mail, but perhaps it needs some context. Does it mean that this was "well done" by Julian Assange? Let's be very clear. If they could have indicted me for conspiracy, if they could have indicted me for receiving stolen material from Wikileaks, if they had any evidence that I had coordinated the actual release of Wikileaks material between the Trump campaign and Wikileaks/Assange (who I admire), they would have indicted me for it. It doesn't exist. If Steve Bannon wants to come into court and lie about me under oath, my lawyers will destroy him."

I'm attempting to establish if that is true or not. It's an important distinction to know whether the "Russia if you're listening" call came before or after the event we've been talking about, whether you think it is or not. It's critically important to establish whether anyone in the Trump-Stone chain knew the material from Wikileaks originated from Russian cybercrime. If it can be established, I don't think any senators could survive voting against impeachment. If not, they will just deny deny deny no matter the result of the House inquiry.

 

[kpt018]

Fuck man, put down the pipe. Yes, you're missing everything. I'm not sealioning and I resent the accusation.

Well just look it up then.

 

[HockeyBjj]

The last place I worked my manager was a smaller guy but he hired guys that all had like BJJ or active duty military experience so when things went south he didn't have to step in.

One gym I trained at, the judo/sambo/wrestling coach also owned (or was it just managed?) a pair of strip clubs in town. He'd hire the professional fighters as his bouncers. Was a perfect fit as obviously they still need stable money between fights, and then they work late shifts and are free to train in the morning/day classes when there's far fewer casuals.

 

[Andy Capp]

Well just look it up then.

You said, "Everything I said is easily available online." Apparently not easily enough for you and the onus is not on me. So, in other words you're not willing to back up your assertion and no longer willing to counter mine. Noted.

 

[My Spot]

The use of the Benny Hill music puts this over the top:


@usmctanker242 @LifeIsNotFair

And they're technically considered special operations still.

 

[Andy Capp]

? Indicates a question. Read better or just admit you’re dodging.

Ironic [and hypocritical]. But apt.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

not a meme, mods

 

[Andy Capp]

This whole episode (you drawing conclusions about the difference between different body types on the basis of a sample of one) is an interesting look at the thought processes of an inferior mind.

I believed that was the point I made with the very first reply. No?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Was there really no thread on the impeachment hearing today?

 

[Andy Capp]

 

[Anung Un Rama]

@Ruprecht are you being affected personally by the fires? Keeping safe?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I believed that was the point I made with the very first reply. No?

I don't recall. Possibly.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

@Anung Un Rama @VivaRevolution @BarryDillon

If one of you wants to bear the yoke of making a thread, I think the apparent fuckery in re Bolivia warrants one. While I am critical of Morales' campaign for a fourth term and was therefore sympathetic to his being displaced, it seems increasingly likely that this is US-orchestrated and, of course, the MSM is incredibly complicit.

1. The spearhead that is the OAS's - an organization dominated by right-wing regimes - findings of widespread electoral fraud have been thoroughly debunked. Mark Weisbrot, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR), tweeted Sunday that OAS "never did find any evidence of fraud in the October 20th election, but the media repeated the allegation so many times that it became 'true,' in this post-truth world."

Per the Center for Economic and Policy Research: http://cepr.net/press-center/press-...ularities-or-fraud-statistical-analysis-shows.​

2. The MSM (WashPo, NYT, etc.) completely mishandled reporting on the crisis, asserting the existence of electoral fraud, falsely characterizing the opposition to Morales as widespread and bipartisan, and completely neglecting the brutal acts of violence committed by right-wing protesters/terrorists (as well as the backdrop of privatization). As seems to usually be the case, the WashPo editorial board has some of the most shameless action here.

Per Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting:
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3. There are pretty clear signs of a social media propaganda campaign originating in the United States, with countless newly-minted troll accounts touting anti-Morales and pro-opposition talking points.

I'm not a very good TS, and I only know what I've listened to on a couple of podcasts so I'll pass on making the thread. It definitely deserves one.

 

[kpt018]

You said, "Everything I said is easily available online." Apparently not easily enough for you and the onus is not on me. So, in other words you're not willing to back up your assertion and no longer willing to counter mine. Noted.

I didn’t make an assertion. My opinion was that it was bad, but I’m happy to let others come to their own views.

 

[Andy Capp]

I don't recall. Possibly.

"This whole episode" was a result of me pointing out his assertion was too vague to be falsified most likely on purpose, for the obvious reason you pointed out, "drawing conclusions about the difference between different body types on the basis of a sample of one" isn't much of a leg to stand on. Anyway, it was just my attempt to get people (not him particularly) to see it's possible to do better when framing their viewpoints and when countering those that are poorly framed as in this case. Also, please see my exchange with kpt. I keep hoping, vainly I presume, that the one use for my inherent tendency toward the pedantic is to drag this kind of thing out for all to see and hopefully learn from.

It's not that I am expecting people to meet the standard I set for myself, rather that I do my best to make plain what that standard is.

 

[kpt018]

Ironic [and hypocritical]. But apt.

Dude, it’s not ironic at all, but if you’re going to quote posts unrelated to you in order to take jabs lmk so I can put you on ignore. I normally like your posts but I don’t feel like addressing shit like this.

 

[kpt018]

"This whole episode" was a result of me pointing out his assertion was too vague to be falsified, most likely on purpose, for the obvious reason you pointed out, "drawing conclusions about the difference between different body types on the basis of a sample of one" isn't much of a leg to stand on. Anyway, it was just my attempt to get people (not him particularly) to see it's possible to do better when framing their viewpoints and when countering those that are poorly framed as in this case. Also, please see my exchange with kpt. I keep hoping, vainly I presume, that the one use for my inherent tendency toward the pedantic is to drag this kind of thing out for all to see and hopefully learn from.

It's not that I am expecting people to meet the standard I set for myself, rather that I wish they'd try.

That’s fine, but let’s do it on a topic of mutual interest using a post I actually make assertion.

I literally reported a piece of underreport (imo) news and that I thought it was bad.

I’m cynical about politics and posting in the WR in general and won’t spend time on things I’m not interested in. And quite frankly if this is really your goal maybe don’t begin posts with “put down the pipe” and “use your brain”.